common! your site is PR 4 now . .. That is not bad.

Yeah, this forum + some other sources helped me a lot. Thank you all who responded. I got rid of link exchange and my PR changed to 2, than to 4 (but I'm not sure if this events are related in any way) I want it to be 5 though.
New problem: I need MORE TRAFFIC!

Originally Posted by full house

common! your site is PR 4 now . .. That is not bad.

Originally Posted by kasparovda

Yeah, this forum + some other sources helped me a lot. Thank you all who responded. I got rid of link exchange and my PR changed to 2, than to 4 (but I'm not sure if this events are related in any way) I want it to be 5 though.
New problem: I need MORE TRAFFIC!

...and that's when you realize that this whole time, you had been focusing on something useless.

PR is not useless. I don't believe that if you're a webmaster or a site owner and your site's PR drops from 6 to zero you'll be in "don't care"/"PR is useless" mode.
No one will.

Originally Posted by juliensimon

...and that's when you realize that this whole time, you had been focusing on something useless.

If your site's PR is 4 and up and it went down to 0 or 3-1 you will definitely get disappointed. Having PR 4 and up is a big success in the part of SEO.

So after all your labour and hard working you have got PR 4 now. Anything above PR 3 is really good one and PR 4 attract respect from the webmasters. PR is not at all important to the common people this is the indication which we webmaster only understand.

For the general public its only good contain and looks matter so just concentrate on them because you are making your website for the general public not for the webmaster.

Best of luck.

be patient,man, keep adding more unique content and build more backlinks

You're somewhat right there. But PR helps for SEO too.

Originally Posted by rmxy

So after all your labour and hard working you have got PR 4 now. Anything above PR 3 is really good one and PR 4 attract respect from the webmasters. PR is not at all important to the common people this is the indication which we webmaster only understand.

For the general public its only good contain and looks matter so just concentrate on them because you are making your website for the general public not for the webmaster.

Best of luck.

PR is not useless. I don't believe that if you're a webmaster or a site owner and your site's PR drops from 6 to zero you'll be in "don't care"/"PR is useless" mode.
No one will

Actually it won't matter in the slightest for this webmaster (of 20+ sites) I don't have the toolbar PR display turned on.

If you think that the toolbar display means anything to anybody other than the fools who delude themselves into chasing it YOU ARE WRONG!

Well, toolbar displays number(quality) of inbound links. But a website with PR 0
can be the best on a specific topic and another website with PR 6 can be just as useless as reading ads.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Actually it won't matter in the slightest for this webmaster (of 20+ sites) I don't have the toolbar PR display turned on.

If you think that the toolbar display means anything to anybody other than the fools who delude themselves into chasing it YOU ARE WRONG!

Well, toolbar displays number(quality) of inbound links.

Where?

But a website with PR 0 can be the best on a specific topic and another website with PR 6 can be just as useless as reading ads.

So what you are saying is that toolbar PR is useless for determining a "quality" site.

Originally Posted by chrishirst
Where?

Right there (well you can't see it since your bar is off...), if little green bar is longer it means more incoming links pointing to the site.

Originally Posted by chrishirst:
So what you are saying is that toolbar PR is useless for determining a "quality" site.


Yes, becuase # backlinks does NOT show quality of the site. The site may be very high quality but new and have PR 0 or it can be high quality but banned by Google. Agree?

Right there (well you can't see it since your bar is off...), if little green bar is longer it means more incoming links pointing to the site.

You might want to read up on PR. A higher PageRank does not automatically mean more links are pointing to a site. First it would be be pointing to the web page and not the site, and second the PR of those links plays a part. If one page has a single incoming link that's from a PR 7 page and another site has 1000 links all from PR 1 pages, the page with the single link will likely end up with the higher PR.

By the way Chris' second statement was akin to a rhetorical question. That's kind of what he's been saying fr several pages in this thread. I think he just wanted to point that out.

Sorry for the second post. Van gogh types faster than me I guess

You are asking for trouble.

First:

Originally Posted by kasparovda

Originally Posted by chrishirst
Where?

Right there (well you can't see it since your bar is off...), if little green bar is longer it means more incoming links pointing to the site.

This is completely wrong. It's not the amount of links pointing to your site that determines the lenght of the bar. Let's say I get 10 links from PR6 websites and you get a 200 from N/A or 0, guess which bar will be longer?It doesn't show you the number of links. It actually doesn't really show anything.

Originally Posted by kasparovda

Originally Posted by chrishirst:
So what you are saying is that toolbar PR is useless for determining a "quality" site.

Yes, becuase # backlinks does NOT show quality of the site. The site may be very high quality but new and have PR 0 or it can be high quality but banned by Google. Agree?

Chris was just pointing out that you admitted that the PR toolbar is useless because it doesn't show the quality of a site...which you admitted again in the answer. His point is: If it doesn't show you the quality of a site, then what is the use of it?

I guess selling links from ignorant webmasters to even more ignorant ones.

To juliensimon

1. I am not asking for trouble. If I disagree with admin I will get banned, is it what you're saying?
2. There are 3 groups of people in here. The first group thinks PR is important, the second group thinks PR is completely useless (?), third group is in between .
3. I am tired to write over and over again too. I was talking before about the quality of backlinks and if now I wrote number of links determine PR (and didn't put quality in) it does not mean I think that 200 PR 0 >> 1PR 6.
4. About use of PR: it shows number&quality of backlinks (but please don't provide the mathematical expression for that)
5. About selling links: but is it what most SEO companies do ?
6. Let's close the discussion about the use of PR, there are a lot more important topics out there!

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Where?

So what you are saying is that toolbar PR is useless for determining a "quality" site.

Originally Posted by juliensimon

Sorry for the second post. Van gogh types faster than me I guess

You are asking for trouble.

First:

This is completely wrong. It's not the amount of links pointing to your site that determines the lenght of the bar. Let's say I get 10 links from PR6 websites and you get a 200 from N/A or 0, guess which bar will be longer?It doesn't show you the number of links. It actually doesn't really show anything.


Chris was just pointing out that you admitted that the PR toolbar is useless because it doesn't show the quality of a site...which you admitted again in the answer. His point is: If it doesn't show you the quality of a site, then what is the use of it?

I guess selling links from ignorant webmasters to even more ignorant ones.

Originally Posted by kasparovda

To juliensimon

1. I am not asking for trouble. If I disagree with admin I will get banned, is it what you're saying?
2. There are 3 groups of people in here. The first group thinks PR is important, the second group thinks PR is completely useless (?), third group is in between .
3. I am tired to write over and over again too. I was talking before about the quality of backlinks and if now I wrote number of links determine PR (and didn't put quality in) it does not mean I think that 200 PR 0 >> 1PR 6.
4. About use of PR: it shows number&quality of backlinks (but please don't provide the mathematical expression for that)
5. About selling links: but is it what most SEO companies do ?
6. Let's close the discussion about the use of PR, there are a lot more important topics out there!

by trouble I meant more rectifications/explanations that you were not going to like.

I guess I was completely wrong.

You were right on one point though. I think it will be time to close this thread soon.

Agreed. This thread outlived any usefulness it had long ago.

By the way Yury no admin or mod will ban you for disagreeing with us. You're welcome to disagree. People do get banned, but it's never because they have a different opinion. It's because they broke the rules of the forum.