hi, my google ranking is popping up to second, then third, then on the 2nd page, etc. and other competing sites have a steady rank. i was wondering, since my site it kind of new, when will google give it a permanent position in the rank? any advice greatly appreciated. this popping around is annoying. thanks. derek

All perfectly normal.

ok thanks chris.

"Checking rankings" is one of the futile things to do

5 Reasons Why Rankings Are A Poor Measure Of Success
http://searchengineland.com/080131-071244.php

I agree welcome to the world of search engines lol just keep working on ur site and try not to focus too much on checking them, ur site should slowly start to keep moving forward !

Woc

Spend time on building a quality site, quality backlinks, always focus on good, and useful content. Rankings its not all.

It's normal if your ranking goes like that because your competitors also are promoting their site.

Its called the "google dance".

I've seen that too but not sure whether this has anything to do with the Caffeine update. Usually changes are bound to take place but this time round, it's more frequent and the jump is more significant.

Originally Posted by silverglade

hi, my google ranking is popping up to second, then third, then on the 2nd page, etc. and other competing sites have a steady rank. i was wondering, since my site it kind of new, when will google give it a permanent position in the rank? any advice greatly appreciated. this popping around is annoying. thanks. derek

Well, as your site is new so nothing to worry as it happens to new sites very often. You just need to continue building more and more quality links for your site and use only white hat SEO and also have patience.

Nothing to worry about. Google dance happens all the time! Keep on building quality BLs to get a stable position.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

"Checking rankings" is one of the futile things to do

5 Reasons Why Rankings Are A Poor Measure Of Success
http://searchengineland.com/080131-071244.php

Sorry Chris, but all five reasons in that article are baloney, imo.

1. Rankings are constantly fluctuating.

That is NOT a reason to never check them.


2. Search results are sometimes geotargeted.

If webmasters do not know this, they need to learn it, and learn how
to use a proxy located in USA or whatever. The solution is NOT to stop
checking.


3. Personalized search.

If webmasters do not know this, they need to learn it, and learn how
to log out of Google.


4. Rankings don’t equal targeted traffic.

eh? Well, of course, ranking for the wrong terms is not much help, but
the solution is to STOP checking? doh!


5. Rankings don’t equal conversions or sales. Along the same lines of #4

He ran out of reasons so had to repeat #4.

That blog post is a classic example of blogging about nothing, and I'm not
surprised by who wrote it either.



@everyone,

Webmasters love to obsess. They love to check their rankings, they love
to check percentage of pages indexed, they love to check their traffic,
and they love to look at their little green PR bar.

That's life, it's not going to stop and there are some very good reasons
to check those things. If you find it annoying, maybe you need a day off.





Bompa

Originally Posted by Bompa

Sorry Chris, but all five reasons in that article are baloney, imo.

Hey! Well done you manage to miss the point completely!!!

Originally Posted by Bompa

1. Rankings are constantly fluctuating.

That is NOT a reason to never check them.

SO What is the point of knowing something that will have changed the next time you check it?
Or if you have a laptop and a desktop machine in the same office will very likely be different on each one.
How does that mean you can make considered judgment on how you are doing. It's like learning to swim and judging it by the number of lengths you can do.
ONLY the pool changes shape and length every time you get in the water.

Originally Posted by Bompa

2. Search results are sometimes geotargeted.

If webmasters do not know this, they need to learn it, and learn how
to use a proxy located in USA or whatever. The solution is NOT to stop
checking.

Great idea! so now you can be looking at results that NOBODY else in the world will be looking at

Originally Posted by Bompa

3. Personalized search.

If webmasters do not know this, they need to learn it, and learn how
to log out of Google.

It's NOT YOUR personalised search that counts, or should we have to teach EVERY Google user how to "log out" of something that Google has developed to help them?????

Originally Posted by Bompa

4. Rankings don’t equal targeted traffic.

eh? Well, of course, ranking for the wrong terms is not much help, but
the solution is to STOP checking? doh!

Even "rank checking" for the "right" phrases isn't going to tell you anything useful.

Originally Posted by Bompa

5. Rankings don’t equal conversions or sales. Along the same lines of #4

He ran out of reasons so had to repeat #4.

Targeted traffic and conversions are not necessarily the same thing.
If you are running an MFA site "conversions" are not what you are looking for you just want traffic that will be vaguely interested in the ads on your site

Originally Posted by Bompa

Webmasters love to obsess. They love to check their rankings, they love
to check percentage of pages indexed, they love to check their traffic,
and they love to look at their little green PR bar.

That's life, it's not going to stop and there are some very good reasons
to check those things. If you find it annoying, maybe you need a day off.



Bompa

And that is the whole point!!!

They need to start looking at things that MATTER!!

Point me out ONE good, valid reason to check any of them!

Nothing to worry about. This type of oscillations do happen. Patience is the virtue here.

Going up and down the rankings is normal for a website. It's because the other sites on that keyword is also trying to get up the rankings.

Have you heard about Google dance?
read the article for What is Google Dance & when it occurs?
http://www.buildmylink.com/articles/Google-Dance.html

It is not because of the "competition". It is simply because the Google datacentres are constantly updating and synchronising.

Pages are continually shifting in each DC and each DC will not contain the entire index.

Will you PLEASE stop this "Google dance" stuff!! What was known as the "Google dance" ended in 2004 when Google moved to a system of rolling updates (known as "everflux" by the people who have to label things.

it usually happens..just continue working with your site

You don't get stable rankings on SERP. If you want to stay on top then you have to continue to build links. In order to do that, social bookmarking, article submission, forum posting, blog commenting and press release are just some of the techniques that helps.