Hey Eric

Yes of course getting conversions counts.

I have a particular bunch of search terms all inter related that I only really need 5 conversions on though, so admittedly a bit different from the usual.

I personally don't think it would actually be that difficult to get on page 1 for the "SEO" search term.

I just don't have the resources to stay up and online if I did so.

It wouldn't take a lot of research to do so though. Hence why it would be a bit of a sucide mission if I acheived page 1 for "SEO" only to crash and burn because I did so.

With the right plan and team though as well as a bit of research, as I said above, it would not be all that difficult to outwit Wikepedia even.

Thing is though as an individual with too much on and someone who has the SEO aspect covered I on my own would not like to acheive such a page 1 Google only to crash and burn like I had had some DDOS attack.

Thing is though in order to match or beat Wikepedia for a search term like "SEO" it would mostly just be about providing better info that was more relevant.

So unless a site was set up, as you say, to sell, other than the odd advert or internal link to services for hire beating Wikepedia for that search term would be about giving away free info that betters Wikepedia's.

An example of such, mught be a better description, on page, that explains SEO is really about quality and not quantity. This would be where we would have our first difference in opionion.

Don't get me wrong I do get you quantity is great. Cusotmers of SEO's need qunatity, of that there is no doubt. But the quality of traffic also counts, and to my mind more so. Unless of course conquering the term was just to sell on the site in question, due to the huge costs that would be incurred in coping with the traffic from such a search term.

I am not sure our goals are all that different tbh, I just don't have the facilities to back up my abilities or the team to do the same is all.

I have a question or two though!

If you could have a site put on page 1 of Google for "SEO" how would you cope with it to stop it crashing befor you had chance to sell and how much do you think that would be worth?

I ask as you have made me wonder if I may be thinking "too small" LOL.


PS What site we're you referring to of mine? Was it one of my SEO sites as mentioned or one of my Reg TM Cartoon Sites?

Originally Posted by EricRW

I personally would love to rank up by wikipedia for SEO. And if I did rank at the top for a highly searched keyword and my small business didn't provide the service, I could quite easily sell that domain for alot of money (or switch my whole business model around).

I don't exactly know what your trying to achieve with your site, I am just speaking in terms of the majority of people. The majority of people are trying to monetize their site. I understand some people's goals are to find and meet other people with the same small hobbies/ niche. It depends on what your trying to achieve, but I am talking about business for this thread.

Don't get me wrong, quality is a big part of it also. Thats why in the previous post I said, Wouldn't you agree that having people convert would be quality traffic? At least for people like me, looking to monetize a site and not just meet other people interested in a small searched thing. We just have entirely different goals, thats all.

I honestly do think your looking at a much smaller picture. I don't know how much hosting costs for you over there, but here its not that much. And if it did cost alot where the traffic is extremely high, you could get a a dedicated server. Yes it does start to get more expensive, but if your having that much traffic in the first place, the traffic would bring in well above that price.

Just look at basic business growth. As a business grows, so does profit. Its all just the very basics of business. But one would have to know how to monetize that traffic.

I think if I had a spot on the first page of google, I would be a multi- millionaire quite easily. And if one didn't know how to monetize that traffic, they could sell the domain for alot.

The sites I looked at was for the keyword commission the World's best SE0. I looked at your traffic value, how old it was, PR, and backlinks. You had some decent backlinks for some site. But then, quality is better than quantity for those.

Hey Eric

I did an experiment in SEO two weeks ago to prove age of site and baclinks are not that important and I have achieved page 1 (many Number 1 positions for every London Borough and the abbreviation SEO).

Here is the list of search terms (change 0's to o's) >

Knightsbridge SE0 - Chelsea SE0 - Kensington SE0 - Fulham SE0 - Westminster SE0 - Hammersmith SE0 - Ealing SE0 - Brent SE0 - London City SE0 - Camden SE0 - Tower Hamlets SE0 - Southwark SE0 - Barnet SE0 - Wandsworth SE0 - Greenwich SE0 - Ealing SE0 - Harrow SE0 - Haringey SE0 - Islington SE0 - Hounslow SE0 - Richmond Upon Thames SE0 - Lewisham SE0 - Southwark SE0 - Hackney SE0 - Waltham Forest SE0 - Enfield SE0 - Newham SE0 - Sutton SE0 - Croydon SE0

Alas I am not a millionaire though, but then the site has only been online for 2 weeks. The London Borough pages we're added on 22/11/09 and most are now in position 1 on page 1 of Google.

So "SEO" as I said would be just as easy I think, what are your thoughts?

I still think the traffic from "SEO" would in the main not be the type of traffic that converts tbh, EG people looking for the definition or competitors seeing how they are doing.

I actually have US based reseller hosting which is pretty decent but still all those people looking for a definition and all those industry people checking their rankings, something tells me it just might not be worth it.

You can see proof the time frame here > http://www.tvworlds.com/forum/showth...=3959#post3959

I am guessing you would perhaps regard that domain as quite valuable then. I might even sell if no works comes in from it the next 3 or 4 months.

Though I might still sell it anyway, just once I get the 5 customers I can fit in.

I have not tested this but I have heard that search engines will change the SERPS from country to country. It makes perfect sense too. Did you check your analytics account? Seo may not be as big in your country. I don't know but I think it would still be a decent size.

Also, I heard that if I wanted to rank well for a search term and sell a product to another country, then it would be better to host your domain on a web server in that country. Again, this is just another one of those theories (that everyone thinks is bull****/ waste of time) and I don't know if this is fact (it could very well be bull****).

Make sure the personalized search doesn't fool you about your overall web rankings. I actually ran into this before and thought my site was ranked high. I was happy the first time I saw it and then shortly after realized I was a dofus when I checked my analytics. You can see the discussion and Jeff Albertson's link post about personalized searches here.

Let me know if this effected your results or not. Also, since we are in different countries we can help eachother test search terms and the SERPS.

I don't think the "where your server is" thing makes a difference tbh Eric.

Example - tted.co.uk - One of my sites in the US (server wise) yet Number 1 on page 1 of Google.co.uk for "commission a Cart00nist" (change 0's for o's).

I hear you on the personalised search thing. I always make sure I am logged out. I had a conversation with someone on IM a couple of weeks after it was released with someone who was getting skewed results by being logged in and had to explain how that worked and how they we're not getting the normal results.

Yeah sounds good testing each others results, let me know anything you want to know on Google.co.uk and I will search it for you.

Might be handy to see if your results on Google.com differ from mine when I use it in the UK to.

Perhaps you would test a couple of the London boroughs above along wiht the term SEO and see how my results differ to Google.co.uk and Google.com here.

We have the ability to use Google.com here (I assume that applies to other Countries?) but other than cooperating with others, is is impossible to know if we actually get the same resullts in different Countires.

why does everyone assume that because I throw one point out there that Google might look at, they think that I am basing everything on just that. Come on, this is annoying. Its all about comparison of competitors sites which takes alot of things into consideration, not just one.

Originally Posted by EricRW

why does everyone assume that because I throw one point out there that Google might look at, they think that I am basing everything on just that. Come on, this is annoying. Its all about comparison of competitors sites which takes alot of things into consideration, not just one.

Hey Eric

Not sure I get you there! Please clarify what you mean?

As for assuming Google will look, that's pretty much a given Sir!

If I Google "what does everyone think of whois" there we are in position 1 here on Webmaster-Talk.

Please clarify your last post?