Think I might be overdoing it with my keywords.

The website reads very nice (to humans), this question is for seo purposes only.

-my domain is "keyword".com
-The blog title in header is "keyword"
-title of first post is "keyword" plus 2 short words

The article in the first blog post is about 1300 words long with 5% keyword density.

What concerns me is the repetition mentioned above, and I have the keyword in bold 8 times throughout article.

Will Google penalize this?

Also, I have the blog description ( subtitle) hidden; it says "just another wordpress site" right now. Does this carry any weight with Google. I could put a couple of my secondary keywords in there and it would still be relevent, and look nice.

Thanks in advance.

The website reads very nice (to humans),

That's all you need to care about.

800 times might become a problem. 8 isn't even a concern.

Also, I have the blog description ( subtitle) hidden; it says "just another wordpress site" right now. Does this carry any weight with Google. I could put a couple of my secondary keywords in there and it would still be relevent, and look nice.

Who knows? Does it appear on the page somewhere?

Who knows? Does it appear on the page somewhere?

Yes, it's in the header with the blog title.

Thanks for the reply, I was worried for a minute.

If it's on the page SEs can read it and as such may have some "value"

Yea, I think the important thing to focus on is readability - and if you do that, then you are most likely going to have lower bounce rates and longer "time-on-site/page" which has to help with rankings to some degree.

I think you are talking about keyword stuffing... well you just to be aware on those things because stuffing is consider as spam technique, make your site user friendly and the rest will follow.

No matter what niches are chosen and which terms are associated with your blog, just forget about keyword density, at least while focusing on your Google rankings, because even one time occurrence of any term is enough to tell a page can gain ranks through proper linking strategies.

Originally Posted by full house

I think you are talking about keyword stuffing... well you just to be aware on those things because stuffing is consider as spam technique, make your site user friendly and the rest will follow.

That was sort of my question, I'm not trying to keyword stuff, but I don't want Google to think I'm trying to keyword stuff. Of course I'm trying to rank for that term and I made sure my keywords were in the Header, title, and footer, but it's all 100% relavent. Definately a site for human readers.

My site is about an emerging medical condition; I have an exact match domain, and obviosly the title is going to also have it, and then there are many different sections dedicated to variations on it, so the word is repeated in a natural way.

One interesting thing though is the sites a week old, has few backlinks, but it's already top of page 2 in yahoo and Bing, in Google it's on page 9 I think.

Anyway, thanks for the input everybody.

One interesting thing though is the sites a week old, has few backlinks, but it's already top of page 2 in yahoo and Bing, in Google it's on page 9 I think.

Nothing specially interesting there, it's a perfectly normal occurence

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Nothing specially interesting there, it's a perfectly normal occurence

It's interesting to me because I'm trying to figure out how these search engines work.

Maybe Yahoo gives more value to an exact match domain and relevant content, Maybe Google gives more value to age of domain and backlinks, keep in mind I said "maybe"....

The "exact match domain" thing is a red herring for all search engines.
Yahoo! puts more weight on page names and URI wording than Google.
Yahoo! is also more "sensitive" to large volumes on links than Google

Maybe Google gives more value to age of domain and backlinks,

domain "age"? Not at all!

Google and backlinks? Nope

the thing that almost EVERY "expert" misses is that it is the ANCHOR TEXT that Google uses!

I'm trying to figure out how these search engines work.

I wouldn't bother because by the time you figured out one thing, it will have changed.

What you need to actually do is to figure out the USERS of the Search Engines who make up your target market.

I know my website was punished recently. It's actually the gift for men website included in my signature. What ended up happening was that Google punished for either building a link profile with only the anchor text "gift for men" or because all my posts included the keywords gift for men. Since then I've changed it and I'm actually starting to see more referrals from Google.

I know I was penalized because I searched an entire paragraph of an entire only to be on the 30+ result.

penalised means you are OUT of the index

It's actually the gift for men website included in my signature. What ended up happening was that Google punished for either building a link profile with only the anchor text "gift for men" or because all my posts included the keywords gift for men. Since then I've changed it and I'm actually starting to see more referrals from Google.

Nope that just means you were chasing the wrong things.

If all you do is chase "rankings" and HOPE they bring referals or sales you deserve everything you don't get!

Originally Posted by chrishirst

penalised means you are OUT of the index

Nope that just means you were chasing the wrong things.

If all you do is chase "rankings" and HOPE they bring referals or sales you deserve everything you don't get!

This is actually funny because I Googled each of the websites in your signature for the anchor text you were using. Suprisingly only 1/3 actually rank on the first page for the anchor text you're using. I was actually expecting alot more because you have 33000+ post.

It's penalized* bud. Are you kidding me? I work harder than any other internet marketer out there. I only write 1000+ word articles. How don't I deserve results? All of the backlinks I build are from high quality articles that I wrote.

It takes an hour to write 1000+ word articles but I do it because I want results. I don't always get them but at least I try.

Who ever said the signature links I have are for ranking?
You are obviously mistaking just how "useful" signature links are.
links are mainly about marketing to people
Though my sig links are about testing.

I work harder than any other internet marketer out there.

In your opinion of course

I only write 1000+ word articles.

And??
It's not like writing a thesis for university, where not hitting a word count will lose marks. If your subject needs 1,000 words then write that, it it can be covered in 100 then use 100.
Articles are NOT a SEO concern.
You write articles for users.
You write articles to promote yourself as knowledgeable on a subject.
You write articles because you want to share your opinion.
You write articles because you enjoy writing.

You CERTAINLY do not write articles for SEO UNLESS you are publishing them on your website and promoting them there.

How don't I deserve results? All of the backlinks I build are from high quality articles that I wrote.

Optimising is NOT about getting links and getting links is NOT optimising. All you ever promote with links is ONE PAGE the "home" page, for a couple or three "keywords"
What about the rest of the pages? Are they going to promote or market them selves?

Do these "high quality articles" get links pointing to them because that is the only way the pass any value on? OR is it that you publish them 20+ times so they might attract 3 or 4 links each therefore WEAKENING any value they might have if they were published in one place, that is on your website and you then promoted them individually.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Who ever said the signature links I have are for ranking?
You are obviously mistaking just how "useful" signature links are.
links are mainly about marketing to people
Though my sig links are about testing.

In your opinion of course
And??
It's not like writing a thesis for university, where not hitting a word count will lose marks. If your subject needs 1,000 words then write that, it it can be covered in 100 then use 100.
Articles are NOT a SEO concern.
You write articles for users.
You write articles to promote yourself as knowledgeable on a subject.
You write articles because you want to share your opinion.
You write articles because you enjoy writing.

You CERTAINLY do not write articles for SEO UNLESS you are publishing them on your website and promoting them there.


Optimising is NOT about getting links and getting links is NOT optimising. All you ever promote with links is ONE PAGE the "home" page, for a couple or three "keywords"
What about the rest of the pages? Are they going to promote or market them selves?

Do these "high quality articles" get links pointing to them because that is the only way the pass any value on? OR is it that you publish them 20+ times so they might attract 3 or 4 links each therefore WEAKENING any value they might have if they were published in one place, that is on your website and you then promoted them individually.

This comes from your point of view? As I mentioned above I just wanted to see if your websites ranked out of curiosity.

As for your entire "Links are for marketing" arguement you're the only person who gets it. It's like you're trying to prove a point that nobody agrees with.

Define Contradiction:
links are mainly about marketing to people
Though my sig links are about testing.

Woah! :P

If you disagree with my methods then I would encourage you to test this for yourself.

Write a 1000 word article then write a 100 word article for the same subject. See which one Google ranks higher.

What your not understanding that Google bots a dummie. What does Google want really? Good content. How would Google know what good content is. It can't? Really how can it. It can look for things like keyword density. Is this person spamming? It can see how many words are on a page. Which means alot more information wouldn't it?

All I ever promote with links is one page? Well that's accurate. Since I build backlinks to ALL of my articles from 1000 word articles.

What I'm suggesting to you is that I write this articles because that's what I think will help my website - IT DOES.

Wow! Great discussion guys! This is the exact reason I joined this forum, straight to the point.

I completely understand both sides of the argument.

The sites I'm working on right now are meant for the human reader; but at the same time, human readers find most of their information through search engines. Lucky for me, my niche is something I'm very passionate about, and there is a lack of accurate and complete information on the subject.

I'm just getting my feet wet right now, and most of my sites focus on one specific product. I know how many people search for info on that product, and I know what the competition is.

In a couple months I'll be launching another website that focus's on my broader niche as a whole. This will be a long term project and I hope to become a respected source of information on the subject. For this new site I'll be focusing less on search engines and more on social networking, forums, and the like.

But for right now, to give my new sites a boost, I am writing some related material on some web2.0 sites with links in them. I'm also adding pages to all of my sites.

I haven't tried using signature links as a link building strategy. I'll only put a link in my sig if I think the people on that particular forum might be interested in that particular site.

Write a 1000 word article then write a 100 word article for the same subject. See which one Google ranks higher.

Usually the one that gets the better links.
However the 1000 word article may well increase the key word FREQUENCY (NOT density) and may gain some ground from that.
But there is the word "rank" again though.

Though my sig links are about testing.

Well believe it or not I do actually test things.

Bolding / Emphasizing your 8 keywords will not lead you to penalization. Thats all I can say. =)