It has been happening often. On some times my site does not even show up as number 1 when I type in the site name! A place where I submitted my site to a directory does! My site is right below that though.....

Here is a screenshot:



My sites PR is 2. The future page rank checker says it will be 3 next time. Anyways the link directory that my page is on is a PR0 so why does it come up before my site?

Thanks

because PR makes absolutely no difference at all to rankings

Take absolutely no notice of these so-called future PageRank checkers nobody, nobody, NOBODY can work out what your PR will be at the next update.
I realise it can take years for it to finally sink in that the public PR is meaningless and the private PR is just one small part of the overall picture fo ranking. Maybe it will take a little less now you can see the evidence of this right in front of you.

PR? http://www.seo-sucks.com/Page_rank.php

Well why is my site number 3 under its own name?
Also if PR does not help you score high keywords what does?
How many times that keyword is used on your page? Is that what tells if your site is related to what they are searching?

but it isn't the sitename, spywarebeaters is the site name.

What you posted is a 2 word query (spyware + beaters) and the site at no 1 is more important for that phrase than your site is according to the Google ranking algo.

In Google anchor text is what helps with ranking for keywords. Both internal and external

Now it is perfectly possible to get any site to No1 for any phrase that is not very competitive using anchor text alone, Try this for example Cobblers Kids It may as well be done for something useful.

So lets get the terminology right
Going for as a phrase "Spyware Beaters" is not targeting related keyword traffic, It's branding. NOBODY is going to search for Spyware Beaters. Nobody cares what you think your sites keyphrase should be. It's simply your ego thinking that's what they are looking for. When you have been around a couple of years and made a name, then things may be different.

I suggest (again I believe) you do some proper word research and find REAL phrase that are used. $7 dollars for a day at Wordtracker surely won't break the bank and could bring in hundreds of phrases (300 phrases in about 3 mins now I've logged in) assuming you are prepared to spend several hours doing nothing else.
Alternative you could simply pay for a keyword report to be done which would sort out the wheat from the chaff and you get the really useful ones.

PR can be a rough indication of how many people are linking to you. What is doesnt show is the anchor text in these links. If you want to show up for the keyword "spyware beaters" simply get other webmaster to put a link on their site like this <a href="yoursite.com">spyware beaters</a>. How many you will need depends but i doubt it will take that many.

Spyware Beaters is the site name. The rest in the title is the keywords I want to aim for. Computer Support is searched up like 1k plus a day.
Thanks for the help as always for a new webmaster...

No it isn't. Not yet. Spyware Beaters is what you are trying to BRAND your site as.

It is not a phrase that people are searching for, so why are you wasting important title space and anchor text on a useless phrase.
Look at a quoted search "spyware beaters" 274 results (for me) or an allintitle: allintitle:spyware beaters take your own site out of that and there are only 5 results.

Handful of backlinks and the title on the "About Us" enough for that.

computer support? right! 238 million pages, don't hold your breath

You are targeting a handful of phrases. 1 for branding, plus 2 impossible ones until your site is a few years old and has a few hundred thousand backlinks and 1 competitive but possible. With 170+ indexed pages You are wasting a lot of effort for little gain.

Okay so what would you do? Take my name out of the title? Then what? Look for keywords that has few pages lets say 600,000 and that only 15 people search up a day? What should I do?

Take my name out of the title?

Yep, just leave it in a couple and/or put it at the end of some,
eg: "Spyware Removal and Anti Spyware tools brought to you from Spyware Beaters"
2 key phrases and branding in one move.

Niche phrases/keywords are the starting point not the high comp phrases, They can be worked on as you go along.

and Yes!! if 15 people a day land on your site from each of those niche phrases and you convert 10% of them because your page matched exactly their query, isn't that a better return than 1000 a day arriving viewing one page, using bandwidth then never returning and you get a conversion of 0.5%

So your saying go for keywords that deal with my site,have few listings(how many??) and that way I can get in there easy?

Not necessarily.

What I'm saying is don't limit your efforts to a few "big hitting" phrases. Use lots of phrases that are related.
Do the word research first, Checking the number of pages returned for those queries will tell you how difficult (or how easy) it will be to rank for that phrase.
Not all phrases need a matching title, many can be "got" with body copy.
Check your logs for phrases that do find the site and capitalise on those.

Adapt and evolve, Keep up with the word research every few months. This is not a static medium.

One important and useful thing would be to make your forum put the thread title in the page title. Posters very often start a thread by titleing it with their problem, If one user has that problem, There will be more around that do and probably looking for that same (or a similar) phrase. Provide the means they can find the answer and you may just have a return visitor and someone who may just provide a link (naturally) and/or tell others.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

if 15 people a day land on your site from each of those niche phrases and you convert 10% of them because your page matched exactly their query, isn't that a better return than 1000 a day arriving viewing one page, using bandwidth then never returning and you get a conversion of 0.5%

Not sure how that is better. .5% conversion from 1000 visitors is 5 sales, 10% conversion of 15 visitors is 1.5 sales. Right? I'm terrible at math but thats what I come up with, but I understand your point, quality over quantity.

Also, chrishirst, what did you mean by pay for a keyword report and what is wordtracker? I need to get something like that.

Yeah you cannot expect to start off at the top. I have one problem. Every keyword that has to do with my site that I have tried so far has like at the lowest 16 million results. What can I do to get in any of those listings!? I would like to just target one not a big one just to get started on but they all have so many listings. This is so frustrating!

How are people finding your competitors? With what keywords?

Where, (under what keywords), are your competitors advertising?


Look, it's not the number of results that matters, that is just a measure of
the common-ness of the words, not a measure of the competition.

Relax, you need to do lots of keyword research. Give yourself some time,
it's a big project, cuz once you pick'em, you will need to stick with 'em.


Bompa

They come in under the following:
computer support
computer help
spyware removal
spyware support
computer technical support
free computer support

All the ones that deal with my site(above^^^) have lots and lots of sites. How can I get into them. None of the others I have researched really really deal with my site. I have done the research not that I can not do more and find more results but those are the ones I want to get into. I don't care if im the last result on page 1 but I want to get there somehow!

Ok, First off. If you came to me and insisted that you want to rank for those phrases you would be promptly shown the other side of the office door. I wouldn't waste my time and effort or your money.

To love2sail. Well I wasn't envisioning just 15 a day. but potentially 15 from each niche phrase, which could add up to many more interested visitors than the 1000+ "tyre kickers" from the higher count but more generic phrases.

Wordtracker is a database of search phrases pulled from the meta search engines. I posted the Word Research Tools I use (or have used). Take the Overture counts with a very large pinch of salt, as these are badly skewed by the automated bid checkers and PPC checkers in use.
Paying for a keyword report is just that, having someone do the analysis and supply you with a list of keywords for you to work with.

Bompa is correct, the number of results is not a mark of the competitivness of the phrase. For an idea of that use a quoted search "spyware removal" and an allintitle:"spyware removal" search.

anything over 5,000 for allintitle is likely to be competitive. above 20,000 very, above 100k don't hold your breath.

take spyware removal (85,000), add tools to the phrase and it's down to 943 while still also optimising for the higher comp phrase, so the the site will be getting traffic for one while building up the ranking for the other.

Originally Posted by cowsgonemadd3

They come in under the following:
computer support
computer help
spyware removal
spyware support
computer technical support
free computer support

Ok, I see your homepage has a PR2 and although PR itself
does not get a page to the top of SERPs, it does matter to
Google when they analyze your backlinks.

You are currently only showing a few backlinks with Google,
but you have thousands with Yahoo.

I say give it some time and Google will sort things out and
your homepage will move up in the SERPs.

just my thoughts,
Bomps