We all know that links, and some optimization come into play when making higher page rank, but does anyone have guesses as to how much links?

Like approximately how many back-links is estimated to be a PR of 1? -- 20? 40? 40-60? 10-15?

I know it is impossible to TELL exactly how many links, because that depends, what im asking for is a RANGE, I mean will it take me 400 links to get PR of 6? or about 100-150?

Originally Posted by execute

We all know that links, and some optimization come into play when making higher page rank, but does anyone have guesses as to how much links?

Like approximately how many back-links is estimated to be a PR of 1? -- 20? 40? 40-60? 10-15?

I know it is impossible to TELL exactly how many links, because that depends, what im asking for is a RANGE, I mean will it take me 400 links to get PR of 6? or about 100-150?

it depends what the PR of the page that's linking you and I THINK the amount of other links on the page.

You need to take into concideration the rank of the pages linking to you, the relevance of content, the quality of your content.

There is more to PR than just backlinks.

There is more to PR than just backlinks.

No there isn't.

i did some research and i agree with chris...
Mainly the equation is pretty much like:
PR RANK X NUM OF LINKS
so its like 2x400 PR of 2 with 400 links to you gives you higher PR than PR 1 x 400 links.
Obviously this is a simplified equation but its probably divided by something too, and its not the real equation. There was an article with the real equation that i can't find.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

No there isn't.

Ill be more specific for the fastidious of the forum....
There is more to PR than just the amount of backlinks.

there is nothing more to the toolbar PR number than the number of links and the PR of the page they are on. It's really that simple.
It is purely a mathematical formula, read it for yourself. The original PageRank Formula.
It does not take content into account, relevancy of the page the link is on or any other esoteric idea of what may make it change.

Originally Posted by stOx

You need to take into concideration the rank of the pages linking to you, the relevance of content, the quality of your content.

There is more to PR than just backlinks.

Now that is just silly. The PR algo is a simple computation of links, and nothing but links.

Well does anyone have ideas? of estimated range? Like for example, "It took me 3 months to get PR 2, and i advertised all over" or "IT took me 1 month to get to PR 5, and i advertised here here and here".

You don't have to say number of links, cuz that is impossible to tell..

Hi,

It took us just over 2 yrs to take one new site to a PR6. That site has at least 10 PR6 backlinks to it and thousands of lower PR back links no PR7s links.

In another example a site we purchased and developed further that is also a PR6 has a lot less back links. I would say only a couple of PR6 back links and a a few hundred low back links. This site is over 5yrs old.

In another example a site 4 months old has 4 PR6 back links and about 300 lower back links and its a PR3 - i must admit i thought that this site would have made a PR5 at the last update but it didnt.

The only conclusion i come to is that yes, Chris is right saying its a simple formula of counting back links but what i think might be the case is that Google applies some sort of age filter to links. Unless someone can confirm otherwise i have never seen a site less that 2 yrs old go to a PR7 and never seen one less than a year old go to a PR6 but that may be just the sectors i watch.

Certainly if you want higher PR you need as many backlinks as you can get to your site as high as possible.

This forum is a PR6, how old is it?

Digital Point forum is a PR 7 I wonder how old that is.
4 Months PR 3 isn't too bad i guess. But thats bad news for me, its gonna take months to make it successful ((.

But i mean if it depends on links, it depends on content too, since people will only link to you if it is good content. So Maybe someone has an example of a site with little content thats a high PR and a site that has very good quality and high content with a high PR... and see how long each took etc..

Any thoughts?

And about backlinks, thats very hard to do. Especially if you're not the person that usually tries to spend money etc or advertise. I submitted to DMOZ but i bet that won't ever happen lol with the amount of work they have.

Im going to submit to other Directories. Im already listed in Google, Yahoo and MSN, and AlltheWeb and some others. Also, I have been telling people that look for tutorials etc to go to my website.
And on google if you search AJAX Bryce XSL tutorials ... im like #2!! Probably no one would search that, but still good :O.
Other than that I can probably go get reciprocal links and link exchange and join affiliates, but other than that there is not much I can do is there?

Execute,

This forum PR 6 - Oct 2002

Quality Content does not guarantee more links

Whilst its true that quality content can help secure some links, the fact is that a link is a link what ever site its on. I have seen some real poor quality sites with high PR and its simply down to securing shead loads of links. These can be links on Blogs, Free Directory sites, in articles, in reviews, on forums like this one in your signiture. If fact you can get links from all over the net. It takes time but you will get them. Put out a news article about your site and that could create a load of back links in one hit!

Just to prove the point further about quality content. We have one site that is a forum site full of junk posts, none of the content is of value imo, its just idle chit chat, it got links from free directory sites, loads of blogs and is PR6 site.

Meanwhile, another site that has loads of quality content, links from other quality sites and is a genuine quality internet resource imo is also a PR6. This site is nothing like the other site and is a significantly better site but Google treats it the same regarding the PR value it gives it.

So, get motivated, start securing links, use the free directory sites first if you wish, push out some articles and keep posting in forums and blogs etc.

Also, Break up your links in your signiture, use short Anchor keywords links - see this signiture below - thats 7 links to 7 sites im working on. If i post in 3 other forums thats 28 backlinks .

Good Luck

RichTC
Job Search Insurance Jobs Accountancy Jobs Construction Jobs Graduate Jobs Secretarial Jobs Engineering Jobs

This is weird... I designed a small static website, got one or two external links (both of those pages have a low PR) and I still got a PR of 3. It just seems weird to me... I know 3 isn't a very high PR, but it seems high considering that I have done absolutely no advertising for this site. How can this be?

Is my Signature Link too long? (Very hard for my website to make a short link, since i offer so much stuff).

I see what you guys mean. Yeah i have been posting a lot, but still PR 0, but maybe i have noticed a new problem where a Session ID is showing up, because my host has a setting in php.ini that puts PHPSESSID at end of every link i have. And although i have a temporary fix for it using ini_set, in my database i can see that google bot is still indexing my site with PHPSESSIDs and stuff, and im worried it might consider my site as spam since 2 PHPSESSID's are different from each other, and so it thinks they are 2 pages. I have tried contacting my host, and calling them, and emailing but they dont pick up their email and their phone is dead or something, and their website has no cancel order or anything, and its autopay, so i dont want to waste money and cancel credit card or anything. (but thats abit off topic).

Well I submitted to more directories, and am writing articles in my own website, and will probably write some news and stuff in other websites... Hopefully that will help a bit. Perhaps in a month or two i'll see some results. Any ideas on speed? Like has any website got PR ranked within a couple weeks or anything?

Oh Rich i wanted to ask you, have you spent any advertising money on the sites whihc you listed?

Hello,

I remember when I was asking the exact same thing and no one could
give me 'a range'.


I will give you some now, but we have to make a few assumptions before
the math can be figured.


First, let's assume all the links are coming from a pages which contains 50
links, (to me, that means internal and external links). This is important
because the PR passed is split evenly between all links leaving a page.

To attain a PR5, you would need 16,803  links from PR1 pages.
To attain a PR5, you would need   3,055 links from PR2 pages.
To attain a PR5, you would need     555 links from PR3 pages.
To attain a PR5, you would need     101 links from PR4 pages.
To attain a PR5, you would need      18 links from PR5 pages.


To attain a PR6, you would need  92,414  links from PR1 pages.
To attain a PR6, you would need  16,803  links from PR2 pages.
To attain a PR6, you would need    3,055 links from PR3 pages.
To attain a PR6, you would need      555 links from PR4 pages.
To attain a PR6, you would need      101 links from PR5 pages.
To attain a PR6, you would need       18 links from PR6 pages.

These numbers are based on a logarithmic scale of 5.5 and 85% of
the median PR being passed. These values are extreme approximations
though. Consider that a toolbar PR1 could be anything from 1.0 to
1.9. On the log of 5.5, that would be from 6 to 30 and in the above
examples, we are using median value which is 15. You could have
links from PR1 pages that are all passing a PR6.0 or are all passing a
PR30, we don't know.

Also, the number of links leaving the page of the incoming link plays a
huge role mathematicallyl. If the incoming link page has 25 links, (half
of that used in examples above), you would need only half the number
metioned above.

Got a headache yet?



Have fun,
Bompa

Slacker You didn't calculate every combination of every value



But you know what will happen now, You will be the "someone" that they heard from and there will be a question sometime in the not too distant future of;

Originally Posted by Future Post

I heard that to get a PR5 you need to get 3.055 links from PR2 pages. Well I got that and my site is only a PR3, is this right?

What did I do wrong. Is it a penalty for too many links from the same PR pages?

See Above

ahuh... So, would the phpsessid thing be a problem?
Is my sig anchor text too long ? :X

Session IDs in the URL are always a problem.

They can create infinite URIs for each page so each time a bot visits the anchor text points to a different page (effectively) so your own navigation never helps the rest of the site.

I have not submitted my content website to any search engines or directories because I mainly had it created to show my Portfolio of content written. However, I am a very prolific poster on forums. I was pleasantly surprised to see a PR4 and 2,000+ IBLs after only one month because I added my content URL to the sig lines in all the forums to which I had previously posted. I checked my IBLs a few minutes ago and now have 9,000+. Still have a PR4 though.