How come many webamsters don't like advertising PR0 links for money? even if they're relavent sites and have good content.

because the majority of link buyers think it's PR that counts, and can't understand that it's the anchor text of a link that counts.

Best thing is to leave them to their fantasies so the ones who know the real value of a link can have the last laugh.

Generally because if a site has a decent PR then people know how the search engines are rating that site.

I've seen PR0 sites advertised for something silly like $2 / month. You won't get much more - It's a PR world we're living at present.

Sshh... it's our secret.

As long as the masses continue to prefer off topic high PR sites to content rich sites regardless of PR the rest of us get a bargain.

sorry for being stupid but what's anchor text?

<a href="targetpage.html">This is the anchor text</a>

thanks for info.

what would be better, i link from a non-related site that has a PR of lets say 6 or 7 with crap anchor text, or a link from a related site with lets say PR3 or 4 and useful anchor text?

from what chrishirst says i'm guessing the second one.

Originally Posted by herbal_ali

thanks for info.

what would be better, i link from a non-related site that has a PR of lets say 6 or 7 with crap anchor text, or a link from a related site with lets say PR3 or 4 and useful anchor text?

from what chrishirst says i'm guessing the second one.

a link from a related web site well for google search engines any how

the only reson i would link to a none related website is if the page rank was high as they can give you some of that page rank

ie. if 100 PR-4 link to a page with no page rank if i have my maths correct the page with no PR would become a PR-7 but i dont meen that it would just be PR that would do it other stuff help as well

thanx for that madkad, i heard that linking to PR0 sites could have bad effects on your rank, could someone clarify this?

also, i hear google doesn't like linkfarms, what is a link farm? what features do i like for to check if a site is one?

Originally Posted by herbal_ali

thanx for that madkad, i heard that linking to PR0 sites could have bad effects on your rank, could someone clarify this?

also, i hear google doesn't like linkfarms, what is a link farm? what features do i like for to check if a site is one?

right for the first one=

linking to a PR-0 isnt realy bad every one starts at a PR-0 at some point the only thing is linking to a PR-0 would meen that if you have say a PR-1 then you would give lsomthing like a 0.01 of your PR-1 to them but it works all round cos you could have linked to a PR-4 some time and they would give you some of theres so you are more than likly not to give them any also if they have linked to load of PR-7 then they would probly give some to you in the end

its like a buket of watter you tip some of yours in there they tip some of there into some one elses and so on goes round and round the higher the PR of a site the more inportent it looks to Google

Now for link farms yes they say google dont like them also they say Google dont like loads of backlinks that get added very quickly but if this was the case then think about it

people out there would get other websites in link farms so they get droped etc etc from google so it wouldnt be right

and remember now with google its not quonterty its quolity but it is still also qounterty with other search engines

(lol i wish this forum would put a spell check on )

A true link farm is an interlinking scheme where all participating sites have to host "link pages" that have links to every other site in the scheme.

Many people confuse link farms with FFA (free for all) link listings.
Linking to PR0 pages will have absolutely no effect on your rankings at all, provided the page is not part of a banned site.

If this were the case how would a new site ever get off the ground, or should you remove the links to your own pages that are showing no value on the toolbar. No?

It's absolutely dead simple is linking. Only link to pages that you are happy to send your visitors to. It makes NO difference whether it's on the same topic or not. Being relevant doesn't hurt but then neither does not being relevant. Just avoid the usual suspects, gambling, real estate, dodgy pharmacy stuff, pr0n, adult dating etc. Unless of course you are running a site on one of these, then running with the pack is the norm.

I get fed up with all this whiny crap about being "relevant" and "on topic". The original idea of Google was built around the democratic nature of webmasters linking to sites they approve of, and that is far far better than all the stupid linking schemes that anyone comes up with to try and pretend it's not artificial.

The sooner SE "experts" stop bandying about their pet theory and how not following this formula or not using that link scheme will cause problems the better.
Just get back to doing what you think is right for your site, use some common sense, don't believe anything presented as fact, and don't be scared to test things or build your site how you see fit. Sites get penalised for trying to trick the SEs, not for doing what's best for users.
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<added> BTW madkad hadn't posted when I started my rant so to you. </added>

Thankyou for that beautiful post Chris

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Linking to PR0 pages will have absolutely no effect on your rankings at all

back to the first question, if it doesn't have an effect why are webmasters so reluctant to advertise PR0 for money?

LOL what is this 20 questions he he

if it doesn't have an effect why are webmasters so reluctant to advertise PR0 for money?

could be as they think that soon they will have a very high page rank

could be as there website is very good for some other websites

could be a very high traffic website

PR isnt everything in the world of SEO etc etc there is other things to work for

if you are worrid about PR DONT be as things like PR and Alexa rankings will take care of them selfs if you take care of other things like backlinks meening linking to good relivent website yes maybe with high PR as that is better for you in ways and trying your best to get high in search engines like google, yahoo and msn

thats what i do and alot of others some people worry about the wrong things and try there best to sort them out but why when doing the real things will sort them out in the end

Originally Posted by herbal_ali

back to the first question, if it doesn't have an effect why are webmasters so reluctant to advertise PR0 for money?

You have a PR0 page and you are asking why no one wants to pay you
money to have their ad displayed there? Am I understanding you right?


There are two reasons to advertise online, imo

1. To obtain traffic.
2. To receive PR.

A site or page needs to prove it has one or both of those things in order
for someone to pay money to put their ad there.


Bompa

Originally Posted by chrishirst

A true link farm is an interlinking scheme where all participating sites have to host "link pages" that have links to every other site in the scheme.

Yes, chris is correct. When you participate in a link farm you have to
download their set of pages every month and upload them to your site.

Linking to PR0 pages will have absolutely no effect on your rankings at all, provided the page is not part of a banned site.

I agree again and I think banned sites will have a grey toolbar.

It's absolutely dead simple is linking. Only link to pages that you are happy to send your visitors to. It makes NO difference whether it's on the same topic or not. Being relevant doesn't hurt but then neither does not being relevant.

FINALLY, someone has come to their senses

I get fed up with all this whiny crap about being "relevant" and "on topic".

here! here!


Imo, the ' link only to relevant sites' crap all started after a big update,
Florida or before, where lots of self-important webmasters got their butts
dropped from the top positions, (probably for blackhat stuff, hehe) and
one of them mentions some **** patent application about topic related
delivery blah blah blah. A rumor was born and ever since spread like wild
fire. New webmasters today, consider it a fact since there were not here
when the rumor started.


Tip: believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.



Bompa

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I'm certainly not one of those "whiney webmasters", or one of the paranoid tin-foil hat wearing twitching SEOs who freaks at every new update or patent application, but our observation is that keywords on the page/site you are being linked from do have an effect on rankings (as opposed to just collecting PR).

of course they do, hence me saying this

because the majority of link buyers think it's PR that counts, and can't understand that it's the anchor text of a link that counts.

in post no 2

Wasn't disagreeing with you Chris, was replying to this:

Imo, the ' link only to relevant sites' crap all started after a big update,
Florida or before, where lots of self-important webmasters got their butts
dropped from the top positions, (probably for blackhat stuff, hehe) and
one of them mentions some **** patent application about topic related
delivery blah blah blah.

Originally Posted by Bompa

You have a PR0 page and you are asking why no one wants to pay you
money to have their ad displayed there? Am I understanding you right?

no, i meant the other way round, i was asking why no one wants to get paid to display a link to the PR0 site.

Originally Posted by herbal_ali

no, i meant the other way round, i was asking why no one wants to get paid to display a link to the PR0 site.

I never heard of that problem and you can pay me.


Bompa