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Old 12-02-2006, 01:22 PM Duplicative content?
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What percentage of content must be changed to avoid being banned by google for having duplicated pages?
Thanks here is my link to my contact me page, if you wish to send message straight to my email: http://www.swayzelawoffice.com/compo...act/Itemid,48/


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Old 12-02-2006, 04:35 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Four to five sentences usually.

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Old 12-02-2006, 07:42 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Enough to make it unique. Google is getting smarter and smarter that way each day, so it's better not to try and band-aid it as Numbah1 suggested you do and just to make it original.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:38 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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I know a great way to produce brand new content from an existing page, I use it sometimes for submitting content when you can't be bothered to write fresh stuff. I would of course not use it for anything other than my own writing efforts and definatly not to steal other peoples content.

If you want me to share just ask nicely.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:52 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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I love the way people pull random numbers out of the air.

For it to be considered unique content it has to be unique content. Not 4 or five sentences different, not 70% different, not 1 in 6.... Just unique.
If you have written it yourself then it's unique, If you have stolen it and changed a few words it's not unique.

If you can't be bothered to write new content then you either 1) don't know enough about your subject to make having a site about it worth while or 2) are lazy. In both cases you should delete your site and do something else.
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Old 12-04-2006, 03:15 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Thanks for the advice, and I am working on making the content unique. I am a criminal defense lawyer, and you can't really rewrite the law!
Here is my webpage http://swayzelawoffice.com
I think it is pretty good for a newbie!
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:25 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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But Clifford it would be so much fun if you could rewrite the law.

I assume you're quoting things which is why the question about the duplicate content came up. Just do what you can to make the page unique. Add text above and/or below the quoted passage.

Write unique page titles, meta descriptions, and page headings. When a search engine is looking at duplicate content they are more than likely looking beyond a single paragraph on a page.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:59 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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First, I don't think Google bans anyone for having duplicate content.

I know many software downloads sites that basically have the same content ( got from software authors who submit the same descriptions and file info ) and they are not banned by Google.

I think that Google picks up what he consider to be the page with the original content ( based on many factors ) and shows it before the other pages.

Ofcourse, if a site has ONLY duplicate content ( or content stolen from other sites ) then is an other story.

But, basically, if the same content ( such as an article, story, or other thing ) is on many sites, Google won't ban them.
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Old 12-05-2006, 12:10 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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Duplicate content isn't about getting banned. Search engines though see no need to present multimple versions of the same content in the SERPs so duplicates may not make it to the results.

It's something to be avoided since we generally want our pages to show up in search results. But you're right about it not being about getting banned.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:17 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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I agree. No banning. Just do a search for George Washingtons farewell address. Nothing but dupes. You can't rewrite that.

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Old 12-05-2006, 02:49 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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I love the way people pull random numbers out of the air.

For it to be considered unique content it has to be unique content. Not 4 or five sentences different, not 70% different, not 1 in 6.... Just unique.
If you have written it yourself then it's unique, If you have stolen it and changed a few words it's not unique.

If you can't be bothered to write new content then you either 1) don't know enough about your subject to make having a site about it worth while or 2) are lazy. In both cases you should delete your site and do something else.
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Old 12-05-2006, 02:50 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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Clifford: what you could do is to quote the law passage and then explain it in layman's terms. One of the biggest problems people have with the law is that it makes no sense to them.
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Old 12-05-2006, 05:25 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Adam I like that idea. Maybe then we could finally understand the law. Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but many many years ago I thought of getting a law degree. I can speak broken legalese too.
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Old 12-09-2006, 07:37 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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Duplicate content is hard to get away with if it is with in the same site. If you have an article posted on many site you are more likely to get away with because of difference in design and the sites general content and adverts.
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Old 12-11-2006, 01:35 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Thanks for your help. I am still working on the second site.

Explaining the law:
The main problem with explaining the law on the webpage is that the law is ever changing and very fact specific. The ramifications from providing legal advice over the internet could create a liability issue.

Duplicate content:
If spamming is google's real concern, then what is the deal with this. If you google Austin Criminal Lawyer. The same firm with different web sites comes up about 8 times in the first 2 pages of the search results and four of the first 5 websites listed belong to this firm.


I really appreciate all of the advice!!!
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Old 12-11-2006, 04:20 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Great work by them. All those pages ranking for a term with only 600 competing pages and 0 searches a month. </sarcasm>

Spam does work! albeit temporarily. Eventually it does come back around and it will be dumped or filtered.
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Old 12-11-2006, 08:07 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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The issue with duplicate content isn't just about spamming. It's more about saving server space and time in finding pages to present in results.

How useful is it to type in a query and have all 10 resutls be the exact same content? Pretty useless. There's no reason for a search engine to present that content more than once.

So when they encounter the same content on different pages they may place all, but one of those pages in the supplemental index. It's still there, but it doesn't have to be part of the main index and doesn't need to be searched as often if at all.

It really makes no sense for any search engine to present the same content more than once. We may disagree at times which version of the content they decide to show, but there isn't any good reason to show that same content multiple times.

Chris is right too about spam. A lot of spam will work, but generally only temporary.
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Old 12-11-2006, 10:31 PM Re: Duplicative content?
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Than would Rss feed content on my web page be considered, duplicate content by google?
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:55 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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It would probably depend on how it's set up. If you publish the full feed so your page content is the same as that of the original post then it could very well be duplicate.

If you publish partial feeds from several different sites on one page then it's probably not a duplicate of any single page. If you provide enough original content on the page in addition to the RSS feeds then it probably won't be considered duplicate content.

I don't know if I can give you an exact answer in part because I would need to see the pages in question, but in part because no one can tell you exactly what Google would consider duplicate content or exactly how much original content is needed to make a page not a duplicate of another.

My advice though would be to add as much unique content as you can to the page.
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Old 12-16-2006, 11:37 AM Re: Duplicative content?
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I just figured I’d add some things since it wasn’t stated…

Duplicate content is a FILTER not a PENALTY. It is part of the retrieval process and results are filtered. NOW it can graduate into penalization areas when other factors come into play (aggregate of Dupes, Link spamming, Cloaking , stuffing yada yada)…

A little bit of dupes here and there wouldn’t hurt you much, should the site have a high degree of Aggregate dupe content, then other factors would be looked for (as mentioned above) ..this could start to move into penalization

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Dealing with Duplicate content – from the patent ‘Phrase-based searching in an information retrieval system’


For a given document, each sentence of the document has a count of how many related phrases are present in the sentence. The sentences of document can be ranked by this count, and a number of the top ranking sentences (e.g., five sentences) are selected to form a document description.
This description is then stored in association with the document. During indexing, a newly crawled document is processed in the same manner to generate the document description. The new document description can be matched (e.g.,hashed) against previous document descriptions, and if a match is found, then the new document is a duplicate. Similarly, during preparation of the results of a search query, the documents in the search result set can be processed to eliminate duplicates.
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