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Old 02-27-2007, 06:17 PM One Not The Other...
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How come nearly all the sites i buld have excellent results in MSN, Yahoo, etc.
But are really poor in Google?

Does Google just not like me???

P.S. and why are my thread topics NEVER in bold like everyone else??
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Thread topics are bold if you haven't read all of them. Because posting a new thread shows it to you before anyone can reply, you've read the entire thread as soon as you post it. If you look at the thread after this reply, it will be bold.

To answer the rest of your question, we need to know more about the sites you've built. One thing we know is that Google is more selective, and especially has better spam filters, than Yahoo and MSN. Another thing we know is that far more people use Google than Yahoo and MSN put together.
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Old 02-27-2007, 06:46 PM Re: One Not The Other...
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Which is why I really want good results in Google. I use it more all the time just because... Well its Google...

The main site I want to improve is vantidy using key words: van racking

Think I'm somewhere near page 10 at the moment...

On MSN etc, page 1...
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Old 02-27-2007, 11:23 PM Re: One Not The Other...
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It's curious that you would be on the first page of Yahoo and MSN but not Google. Looking at your site it doesn't look like they're trying to punish you for anything, which anyway would get you blacklisted completely, not on page 10.

Shocking as it sounds, the first thing I can think of is competition. There have to be more web sites than people alive today, and some fraction of them that are devoted to van racking is still a lot. All of these sites also want to make it to the top of the first page, and are doing what they can to make that happen. Still, this wouldn't explain the difference between Google and the rest of the search engines?

The short answer is you need for there to be more web sites linking to yours using the <a href="your site">anchor text</a> "van racking." The a tag is an anchored link, and the text you can click on to follow it is the anchor text. It tells googlebot your site ( or, the one being linked TO ) is about whatever the anchor text is. If you want to learn more about this concept, go see this site...

There are two basic ways to get these links: create them yourself, or get other people to do it for you. The second type counts for more, because it's harder to do. You could change your signature here from "gimme talkupation!!!" to "van racking." I just gave you a link with your targeted keywords; you can give yourself one every time you post. Of course, then you want to make sur your posts are useful and intelligent. You can go add yourself to every directory out there; nobody uses those sites to find a link, but the 'bots see them. These are all "low quality" links, easy to get, and things your competition has probably done already.

Then there are "high quality" links, where someone else mentions you on their web site. People say things like "content is still king" meaning that a useful web site attracts links and traffic. To do this, you probably want to add things to your site that widen its appeal beyond people shopping for van racking. You could write an "article" on what you do, how it affects the resale value of a van, things like that, stuff a couple of links in it, and email it to other sites that are related to cars and vans, but not so much racking. A few of them may be interested, and carry your article, which means links from their site to yours, with anchor text of your choosing. Things like that.

One last bit of advice, and I hope I don't get yelled at for saying this. You're giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It's a great thing that you've linked out to other related sites, because your visitors will like that. If you're too far, but they can find someone closer through you're site, they'll remember you in a positive way. But, you have these links out with the text "van racking" in them. These help the sites you're linking to, to score on searches for "van racking." Even if those two words aren't on the page you link to. If you're coming up on page 10, then you aren't helping them much, but you're still working against yourself. Don't take down the links, but consider taking the keywords you're trying to win for out of the anchor text.
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Old 02-28-2007, 12:12 AM Re: One Not The Other...
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To keep the long story short you have well optimized HTML but you need good linking factors to come up in google.
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:27 AM Re: One Not The Other...
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I agree with shabbirbhimani you also need to have quality links. Google gives more importance on quality links.
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:11 AM Re: One Not The Other...
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How come nearly all the sites i buld have excellent results in MSN, Yahoo, etc.
But are really poor in Google?

Does Google just not like me???
It’s not that Google doesn’t like someone but this is for sure that it likes sites which are good in their link building. It’s like the more links you have; the richer you are in Google and that helps your site in getting good results.
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:33 AM Re: One Not The Other...
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They have a different algo, thats why, some ses that when you rank On Google but not that well on yahoo. As google give importance on quality and yahoo needs density... I would choose to focus on the big one. GOogle.
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:23 PM Re: One Not The Other...
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One last bit of advice, and I hope I don't get yelled at for saying this. You're giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It's a great thing that you've linked out to other related sites, because your visitors will like that. If you're too far, but they can find someone closer through you're site, they'll remember you in a positive way. But, you have these links out with the text "van racking" in them. These help the sites you're linking to, to score on searches for "van racking." Even if those two words aren't on the page you link to. If you're coming up on page 10, then you aren't helping them much, but you're still working against yourself. Don't take down the links, but consider taking the keywords you're trying to win for out of the anchor text.
Good advise, but the links at the bottom of the page are for pages on my site, I guess the title should have been "Van Racking Site Map" or similar.

Really helpfull post though. Il have to keep at it with the links.
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Old 02-28-2007, 02:38 PM Re: One Not The Other...
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ForestMeister, we're not going to yell at you for suggesting the guy think about anchor text. ( Even if you made the wrong assumption. ) Great post, on the level of something Adam, Chris, or VanGogh might post.

Anyway, don't give the one or two sentence advice much thought. Yes, more links help you rank in general. But if they don't have your targeted anchor text, they won't help you rank for the specific query you're trying to be #1 in.

VanGogh often recommends people to put a link to their site in their signature, and he's a moderator here. So that's safe advice to follow.

Get a Google Webmaster Tools account, and look around in it. Notice the on page off page text related to your site. This should make things more easy to understand.
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:29 PM Re: One Not The Other...
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Why on earth is the entire site optimised around two words.??

It simply screams out "I've been optimised for van racking!!!"

For a properly optimised set of pages you should NOT be able to tell at a glance what phrases the SEO is targeting.
This above all else is the distinction between real SEOs and the also rans.
Just look at This Query
Do some word research and target a lot more phrases, your site will be much less vunerable to the vagaries of life in the search engine world.
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is that a bad thing if 99% of searches will include that phrase though?
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Yes it is. Simply because it's the "all eggs in one basket" approach. You only need one, maybe two pages for that phrase.

With your approach you are only ever going to see one (maybe two with indents) page(s) from your site on one SERP for one query
What are you going to do if one day when that one result disappears from the SERP and your visitors from SEs go away suddenly ??
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Yeah that makes sense...
I'll have to have a bit more of a think with it.

Cheers for the help.
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:55 AM Re: One Not The Other...
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google is pagerank/link based.
msn & yahoo is more to content/domain based.

the site ranked differently in this 3 SE
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is that a bad thing if 99% of searches will include that phrase though?
Suppose I'm an a-hole. What if I go do all the SEO my fingers can handle, to make my blog come up for van racking? Even worse, what if I go back and SEO 9 other sites for the same phrase? In case you weren't aware, I'm the world's best SEO, so obviously this would push your site off the results page.

Now suppose I'm a competitor instead of a random jerk. Scenario gets more realistic.

That should convince you, but now let us move on to the next reason. If 99 % find your site with one search, nobody is telling you to take away from that - we're saying add to it. You'll still have the same number of people hitting your site for "van racking," but now you'll have however many more people finding you through "auto storage" or whatever.
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