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Old 03-06-2007, 05:17 PM Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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My day job is as an ASP.NET programmer. I've been asked to add some functionality to a project the company I work for got from one of their clients. They have a search box that submits a query to the database, but want to change the way it works to performing a Google search.

I poked around, and the way this is normally done is an html form that submits to Google ( example script ). But they said no way Jose, they don't want the users leaving the page, let alone the site, to get the search results. They want the web application to submit a query to Google behind the scenes, and then scrape the results, extract the URLs ( and maybe descriptions ), and have those come out on the page in the application.

That doesn't seem immoral in and of itself, but it violates Google's terms of service. I brought this up, but I was told it's not a decision for us coders to make, and those are our requirements. I know this could get the site banned from Google, and again brought this up to no avail. But is it illegal? Is it unethical? I never actually formalized a contract where I agreed to the terms of service, like I did with my cell phone. Still, I understand processing cycles, bandwidth, and the enormous scale Google operates on, and I can see how auto queries interfere with their goals. And deprive them of ad revenue. I wouldn't want somebody hobbling my livelihood, and I believe in the Golden Rule. So I feel a little uneasy doing this.

Should I? What say you?
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Old 03-06-2007, 06:14 PM Re: Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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You could use the AJAX Search API
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Old 03-06-2007, 06:27 PM Re: Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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Wow, thanks! I can use this to not get my employer's client banned. I felt like it was kind of negligent, if someone came to us for advice, to give them a loaded gun just because that's what they asked for. But this should make everybody happy.
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Illegal? I don't know. Immoral, definitely.

Use the API correctly and it should work.
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I brought this up, but I was told it's not a decision for us coders to make, and those are our requirements.
I probably would have done what they asked just so i could later say "told ya so".
I hate this kind of do-as-you-are-told arrogance from employers.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:38 PM Re: Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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The latest news is "Well, finish the code we have, then we'll look at the terms of service and consider making it legit." Right now they don't like the Google API, so I mentioned that this could get the web site they want to be able to perform searches against de-indexed, and then the code won't work at all. It's not like we're building a little desktop app that pretends to be explorer, they want Google's search ( with their advanced features ) built into a client's web site so the client can search their own site more easily. I explained how the API lets us put the results in the client's page and not send them off to Google's domain to look at the results, but I think the mentality is "We started off using this one technique, and we'll see it finished."

Argh, the difference a weekend makes.
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:08 AM Re: Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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And have they realised that only pages that are in the SE index at the DC that responds to the query will be searched when using a Google "site:hostname keyword "
Which may of course be "No results found for [insert query]"

That'll impress the customers
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:11 AM Re: Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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on the other hand

a little bit of coding "slight of hand" could ensure that the "No results ..." message appears far more frequently than would be usually anticipated ...





Not that I'm suggesting for one minute that anyone should do anything devious just to prove a point to the "powers that be"
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:15 PM Re: Help! Google TOS. Urgent!
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LOL - you crack me up, Hirst! I'll make another post when I have more news, but I wanted to thank everybody for lending their support so I know I'm not losing it here.
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