I have often wondered if you think that Google has to much a ring in the market, that what they say many webmasters resect which is fine because they are a good company.

But who thinks that Google should be aloud to just openly ban users,(which are people) as well as not give them there Adsense Cash(which there websites earned) I mean isn't this against some sort of buisness law(Google is located in the U.S.). I think all these technological terms are getting people to forget that Google is a company, and letting them get away with shutting down people's accounts, without any type of compensation is just plan unlawful. I am not sure if anyone agrees, but I see this as a big issue I mean how can people go with a system that has 0 customer service. How can a Multi-Billion dollar company just ignore the needs of customer service...?

This is a nice little article...and question please give me your answers.

Of course it's legal to close down accounts that break the terms of service! If you use your house to make and sell drugs, the police will take your house without compensation - Google is no different here. Why should they have to pay someone for an account they closed with cause? And if an account was closed for click fraud, then the person shouldn't be paid what they haven't earned.

Google's customers are the people who pay them money, the advertisers, not the web sites that run AdSense. Customer service is probably very good for their customers, but I'm not one so I don't know.

When you're talking about something somebody owns or controls, it's their, not there.

Yes but surley even some invalid clicks is not all invalid clicks, I mean they should have to sort out what they think was "invalid" not "valid" because they could close an account, for "click fraud" that actually didn't have click fraud. What re-course do those people have? The one time talk to Google, were only one person I've ever heard let back into Google Adsense.

Can you share some examples of what they're actually doing wrong so we don't have to talk in such general terms?

A click on an ad should be a good faith expression of interest in a product. That's what companies are paying Google for. So if they get lots of clicks from the same IP address, it should rightly raise a red flag. You're right that they should still pay someone for valid clicks when they close out an account, although I think when they find invalid ones, they suspect the ones they don't know are invalid might be.

What recourse you have is to sue them. Probably in small claims court, which works out very well in your favor. In California, lawyers aren't allowed in small claims court, so Google can't just out-money you. If you can convince a judge that Google is acting illegally, you'll get your money, possibly a small damages windfall, and Google will be publicly embarrassed, probably enough to change their ways.

Google are a business. They are not a charity or some kind of welfare scheme.

If you don't like the way they conduct their business and try to protect their investment, then don't do business with them.

Yes, there investment. What about the investment of time, as well as money to use them? How about the space they take up on your website, how about the ad cost you could of been charging.

How about....Google actually get some service to the people using there affilate program. I see the total unfairness in this. But eh' that is why I will not put my money to "invest" in adsense, or at least not all my eggs in that basket. Because then my account could be closed, and I would just love all my websites "revenue" .

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Nobody insisted you put adsense ads on your pages, Nobody made you sign up, nobody forced you to spend any time or monetary "investment" in Adsense.

You choose to do that because you wanted to earn the money from Google paying you for the clicks on the advertisements.

Google's loyalty is to their PAYING clients (the Adwords advertisers) not the huddled masses of get rich quick dreamers and schemers running their crappy MFA sites.
The boot would be well and truly on the other foot if some of the "Google cancelled my account for nothing" whingers were on the other side of the fence and were paying for these useless clicks from their Adwords account credit card / bank account.
Then we would be hearing a totally different story from them.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

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Nobody insisted you put adsense ads on your pages, Nobody made you sign up, nobody forced you to spend any time or monetary "investment" in Adsense.

You choose to do that because you wanted to earn the money from Google paying you for the clicks on the advertisements.

Google's loyalty is to their PAYING clients (the Adwords advertisers) not the huddled masses of get rich quick dreamers and schemers running their crappy MFA sites.
The boot would be well and truly on the other foot if some of the "Google cancelled my account for nothing" whingers were on the other side of the fence and were paying for these useless clicks from their Adwords account credit card / bank account.
Then we would be hearing a totally different story from them.

Alright. I can totoally agree with that, as I do have ad campigns through Adwords. But it's not the fact people should not be kicked out of the program. It's the fact someone could of caused an actual suspension of someone's adsense merely by "Click Bombing" them an obscene amount of times.

Although I have recently found a way to fix any possibly way of someone "Click Bombing" an adsense account I have, (It's by putting all your websites or groups of them on one channel instead of giving new websites each there own channel). You have to see where I am comming from, both sides should be adressed well from google.

A - The people who have agreed to work with Google, to earn money with th ere website. (Meaning people hosting Google Ads because yes Google wants you to use Google's Ads...just ask Google.)

B - The customers who have purchased the Adwords.

Right now only B is being covered that is all I am trying to say here.

Google works with people who are using AdSense honestly.

IF anything, it's the other way around...Google doesn't do enough to protect Adwords advertisers. They need to get rid of more of the dishonest crap and MFA sites.

As far as not paying people for their Adsense, I've used them for almost 16 months now and it hasn't even been close to an issue for me. They've never even warned me about invalid clicks, never mind banned me.

The funny thing about this argument is that it generally seems to come from people with little to no credibility to begin with.

Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

The funny thing about this argument is that it generally seems to come from people with little to no credibility to begin with.

Yeah, that's the thing. I haven't ever heard of a case where someone was banned wrongly from AdSense. Some of that might be I don't have very much experience, but that only explains some of it, I've been using it a couple months now, and it's never been a problem for me, either.

I guess Vasity may have a point about a person could click all of your ads a hundred times in an hour, but I would never have even thought to do that.

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IF anything, it's the other way around...Google doesn't do enough to protect Adwords advertisers. They need to get rid of more of the dishonest crap and MFA sites.

As far as not paying people for their Adsense, I've used them for almost 16 months now and it hasn't even been close to an issue for me. They've never even warned me about invalid clicks, never mind banned me.

The funny thing about this argument is that it generally seems to come from people with little to no credibility to begin with.

Ok so he can get away with "indirect insults" so if I were to say.

People who think that are just plan rude. (but instead of rude :random ignorant word That would be ok?

Be nice Adam. I am not rude to you am I?