Anyone know when will next page rank update start?
Will it be this month or next month?
Im noticing very big changes in search engine optimization, looks like it is not so important like it was before...

Anyone know when will next page rank update start?

Who cares?

I think already took place last days. I saw very strange stats for my websites.

Oh yeah, big changes! Huge! Massive! (Nothing...just made up stuff.)

did it?hmmmm...haven't seen any changes...hehehe...oh well, maybe im just not much into it right now...ahhaha

Yea i know webmasters say is not really important but those are only webmasters, there is many many other people that have sites and they will link exchange only with PR sites, and even alexa have some meaning.

I know my sites will pop up high and i just cant wait when will that happen, so i ask

Originally Posted by dadaas

Yea i know webmasters say is not really important but those are only webmasters, there is many many other people that have sites and they will link exchange only with PR sites

Google Site Guidelines


Quality guidelines - basic principles

• Make pages for users, not for search engines.
• Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
• Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

Originally Posted by dadaas

Yea i know webmasters say is not really important but those are only webmasters, there is many many other people that have sites and they will link exchange only with PR sites, and even alexa have some meaning.

I know my sites will pop up high and i just cant wait when will that happen, so i ask

Yeah, those pesky webmasters, they act like they rule the internet. I'll be glad to see the day when the web is run by regular, non-professional Joe's with no experience whatsoever. Man, that will be the day.

**** THEIR MANGY WEBMASTER HIDES! Evil, sick bastards. Let's beat them with a stick.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Who cares?

The Good Mod Guide by chrishirst

boomers, it's very simple.

A toolbar PageRank update means NOTHING! Whatever PR your pages have they have right now. If Google turned off the display today, tomorrow or next week your pages would still have the same PR.

An update simply means that the toolbar then shows a different (or not) unrealistic, inaccurate, less out of date proxy value than it was before.

Conversions won't change, The products you are selling won't suddenly get any better and traffic won't suddenly change.
About the only thing that may change is you may get more spam emails from the know nothing link exchange idiots who think it's of any value.

yea but high PR mean = high $$$, you can sell it

chrishirst... youre half right in what youre saying but like Affnice has said, PR= $'s.

You and I know that PR means very little (if anything) in terms of search engine rankings... a common mistake as Google of Ye Olde Days used PR in their equation to calculate rankings (apparently...).

Anyway, although PR means nothing in terms of that... it is an attribute that millions of people are willing to pay to get. Sites are able to sell links based almost solely on their PageRank. So although the products you sell wont suddenly get better - you have something else you are able to sell... thats right: advertising space!

My point is... this makes mean a lot more than nothing.

Anyway... this really had nothing to do with my original post, I was just surprised that a mod of a forum would be so unhelpful, and rude.

Actually if you look at any of my posts in any of the multitude of PR update threads here you will find that I have made very similar "unhelpful" posts in every one I could be bothered with, and if one person per thread understands that chasing the stupid green bar is far from productive, then I wouldn't consider that as being unhelpful!

As for the stupidity of people selling PR and the even more stupid behaviour of numpties buying links purely because of the toolbar PR display, maybe they should read a little bit of google PR history and look up references to SearchKing and Paddy Bolger to see what selling PR value does for you.

NOBODY has the right to sell links based on their PR value, it is tantamount to fraud, because you are selling something that is not yours. PR is owned by Google, the imaginary value you can see, is from a toolbar owned by Google. The PR value (real or toolbar) is assigned by Googles algo and could be taken away from those pages with no notice at all. Now where does that leave you when your PR buying marks advertisers want to know where the supposed link value went???

Hirst summed up my thoughts. Selling ad space based on PageRank and/or Alexa ranking is a misleading practice and should have been stopped a long time ago. The problem is that Google and Alexa have both created monsters with the best of intentions, "SEOs" nurtured and grew them into Frankensteins, and now they can't put the monsters back to sleep.

Now what we have is a bunch of idiots chasing rainbows, with a few realizing there's no pot of gold at the end.

No matter how many times you post something doesn't make it anymore helpful or polite... And lets face it, posting 'who cares' really wont make someone understand the lack of importance in PR.

As for not having the right to sell advertising, it being practically fraudulent? You're exaggerating to make your point. Should sites sell advertising based on traffic then... that can decrease at anytime also.

Hi,

I dont agree regarding the comments that PR doesnt have any value in relation to the serps.

If you are in a low keyword value area then i would agree, but if your site is in a very competetive sector you need strong PR to rank well. Agreed that PR is just one factor of many that you need to rank well but PR value still needs to be taken into account as a factor if the site is to rank in the top 10.

You dont see sites with zero PR ranking top of the serps in very competetive areas of the net do you!

I would agree that the green bar is not a true indication of a sites value due to it being a snap shot of the sites value from some time ago and what you are seeing is now out of date, but its still a bench mark of the sort of PR level the site has been running at and can be useful imo.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Quality guidelines - basic principles

• Make pages for users, not for search engines.
• Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
• Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

I agree with all google says, but there is no way this is true,lol
All sites are exchanging links with higher page ranks to improve.
Avoid tricks?Hey i bet there is no webmastering forum without SEO topics, about SEO tools, this tricks are used by all webpages.

P.S. someone say when will come day when little webmasters with no knowledge rule the internet, well that day wont come i think,lol

Originally Posted by paladin2

I think already took place last days. I saw very strange stats for my websites.

strange PR??

i got few websites, and none of them are updated in PR. still waiting.
expecting end of July.

Originally Posted by boomers

Anyway... this really had nothing to do with my original post, I was just surprised that a mod of a forum would be so unhelpful, and rude.

I don't see anything rude, but Chris and Adam's posts were a lot more helpful than you're willing to realize. The thing is, when you're wrong and somebody explains the truth, that's extremely helpful. The sooner you gain a piece of knowledge, the better off you are. If I get a heavy foot and my passenger reminds me of the speed limit before a cop does, that's pretty helpful.

Originally Posted by boomers

Anyway, although PR means nothing in terms of that... it is an attribute that millions of people are willing to pay to get. Sites are able to sell links based almost solely on their PageRank. So although the products you sell wont suddenly get better - you have something else you are able to sell... thats right: advertising space!

The thing is, if you're selling something you know is useless to people who think it has value because they don't have enough info, that's pretty shady. Like selling a diuretic to a thirsty man in the desert.

My site is pretty well respected by Google, has decent external PR, not wonderful but not bad either. I link out a bit, but only to sites I would be proud to introduce my visitors to. I got an email from someone who has my links page bookmarked, and checks my site every few weeks to see if I've found anything new and exciting, then looks around to see if I have new photos. I've never asked anything in return, and I'd bet my car half the people I link to, like Sebastiao Salgado and Art Wolfe don't have a clue who I am. Linking out like this improves my site.

Google is trying to put an end to link sales carrying any PR value. And good for them.