The Other Search Engines

**UmojaNetwork** · 08-30-2002, 05:26 PM

I just submited to google, yahoo, alltheweb, dmoz, alatavista etc...

I would liek to know what is the most important factor in getting high ranking: the number and quality of site which are linking back to you or the relevance between meta tags keywords and content?

**Hope** · 08-30-2002, 05:56 PM

meta tags don't mean anything anymore.

For high rankings you need the following:

Real content which is unique to your site.
Good titles
Quality links

**UmojaNetwork** · 08-30-2002, 05:59 PM

what do you mean by quallity links and good tittles ?

**david** · 08-30-2002, 06:51 PM

I couldn't say much for the other search engines (never done very well on them) but I do know a bit about Google. Heres a relevant bit from one of my articles:

Quote:

This sucess has immense implications for webmasters. Google is now the search engine of choice for most of the web and it handles over 150 million queries a day. With that sort of popularity, a webmaster's first promotion task should be submitting to Google. Although it is highly likely that Google will pick up your site anyway on its next crawl, its always best to be safe. Getting into Google is simple, but getting a high ranking isn't. Traditional methods just don't work. Repeating your search term is useless, as is carefully planning out your META tags (Google doesn't use them). What you must pay attention to is Google's PageRank.

This is the method used to rank search results. Each page is given a PageRank based on this formula:
PR(A) = (1-d) + d (PR(T1)/C(T1) + ... + PR(Tn)/C(Tn))
Although this looks extremely confusing, in essence it means that your PageRank is based on the following:

The number of sites linking to yours
The PageRank of sites linking to yours

This means that a site with 500 links to it from other sites will get a much higher rank than one with 5. Also, if two sites, each with 100 links to them, but one of them has links from Yahoo, CNN, the BBC, Amazon and Microsoft, the one with the links from the more popular sites will get a higher ranking.

So the only way to guarantee a high ranking with Google is to exchange links with people, which is exactly what makes the web so powerful anyway. All Google is really doing is returning to the roots of the internet. Exchanging links is free (usually) and, now Google powers Yahoo's web results, it seems to be the best way to build up traffic. But is a good PageRank the only way to get a higher listing. It probably is, but here are a few other tips which may or may not work (they appear to have given quite good results in some cases but this may be coincidence).

Get a keyword filled domain name. If someone searches for 'free advice' and your site is www.freeadvice.com, you should get higher up the search results
Put keywords in your title. If your site has the title 'Free Advice' it should appear higher up the results for the above search
Get your site included in the Open Directory (www.dmoz.org). Google appears to rank these pages higher.

From: http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/articles/google

Personally, though, I have found that a large amount of good quality content does wonders for visitor numbers

**UmojaNetwork** · 08-30-2002, 09:22 PM

Thank you very informative!

**Hope** · 08-30-2002, 09:42 PM

Quality links: Links from sites that are on the same subject as you. It is always nice to have sites that have a higher google page rank than your site too.

Titles: The titles on each of your pages should have your keywords in them. Don't over do it, but make sure it tells everyone what you are about. Each page should have a different title.

**TimSchroeder** · 08-31-2002, 11:19 PM

As for Google, here is another article you may want to check out:

http://www.webmasterstop.com/article...t-google.shtml

**UmojaNetwork** · 08-31-2002, 11:28 PM

Interesting i really got the point and will try to increase my trafic based on what i have read on that article hmmm this is a great place...
thanks

**benmoore** · 09-04-2002, 06:14 PM

i submitted to google a while ago, just realised i come out at no.1 and no.2 ranking for '3 second memory' yey!
There are a couple of other bands with the same name you see

Don't get much traffic from it though

Suppose not many ppl search for it

**DaveTodd** · 09-07-2002, 08:18 AM

benmoore. if you want to get good traffic from google, try getting a good ranking for your genre of music. many people would search for "hip hop" or "grunge" "metal" or "rock," so if you can get top 2 page rankings in these, then you'll get much more traffic.

targetting the right key words is exactly as it sounds - key. get good rankings on the right ones and your traffic will soar.

perhaps consider a purchased domain, or one with less recognition as a free one, that will also help you with your rankings in google and other engines. people click more frequently on non-free or shorter domain names.

if you can't afford a domain for yourself, maybe ask around and see if anyone has a space subdomain you could use. thus you could get banner-free, faster, higher quality space to host yourself on...this could only be a good thing!!

**benmoore** · 09-07-2002, 10:51 AM

thanks for the advice DaveTodd. I think part of the thing is that there must be 1000s and 1000s of 'rock' sites so its gonna be hard to get a high ranking there though.
And yeah we're thinking of getting a better, ad-free host with a better address too. Then we can finally upload our mp3s too

**DaveTodd** · 09-07-2002, 11:27 AM

glad i could help.

don't forget to optimise your site...thats the most important bit if you want good traffic. get some good links from highly ranked sites, i suggest downloading the google toolbar to check sites rankings from www.toolbar.google.com . if you can get good links from good sites, from people that like and recommend your music, your SE rankings will pick up.

target the right keywords, get the right links, and plenty of quality content, and watch your traffic rise steadily...and your popularity increase!!