The Other Search Engines

**chrishirst** · 06-03-2010, 06:35 PM

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Probably nobody can do that!

So if nobody cannot actually show that they do have this magical effect, it's just blind faith, or a belief in the mystical.

**C0ldf1re** · 06-03-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

So if nobody cannot actually show that they do have this magical effect, it's just blind faith, or a belief in the mystical.

Chris believes that keywords in titles help serps on that keyword.
Chris believes that keywords in descriptions help serps on that keyword.
Chris believes that keywords in headers help serps on that keyword.
Chris believes that keywords in content help serps on that keyword.
Chris disbelieves that keywords in domain names help serps on that keyword.

But other intelligent people think that domain names get parsed and weighted by Google just like titles, headers, etc. For example, you don't think Thai is stupid, do you?

We may have to test this out! Can you think of a good test?

**ThailandForum** · 06-03-2010, 07:41 PM

I think you will find that Chris thinks domain name carries no more weight than say title in serps, or anchor text in links, the main problem is so many believe that domain name is the most important place to have a keyword, but obviously just about all the busiest sites in the world have proved it doesn't make any difference, domain name isn't a magical power that will serp you magically to the number 1 spot.

**C0ldf1re** · 06-03-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThailandForum

... domain name isn't a magical power...

Never thought it was. The counter-argument seemed to be that it had no value at all.

BTW You wouldn't ever have tried to supply wooden accessories for buildings, would you? Like doors, for example. Especially ones made out of teak?

**chrishirst** · 06-03-2010, 07:56 PM

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Chris believes that keywords in titles help serps on that keyword.

Not "believes", this can be demonstrated to be true. Assuming you are refering to the page title rather title attributes

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Chris believes that keywords in descriptions help serps on that keyword.

This depends upon what is being termed "descriptions"
meta description (only in Yahoo!
and while in the meta range, keywords only in Yahoo! as well.
Again no "belief" is needed it can be demonstrated

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Chris believes that keywords in headers help serps on that keyword.

Absolutely NOT. I KNOW headers are no use for ranking, However headings probably do, but it is a difficult thing to test in isolation.

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Chris believes that keywords in content help serps on that keyword.

Again no belief needed it can be demonstrated that this is the case.

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Chris disbelieves that keywords in domain names help serps on that keyword.

No I don't disbelieve it because that would be the exact opposite of faith. I simply haven't seen any kind of evidence that it does. There is of course plenty of evidence to demonstrate that it is NOT an "important" factor.

**ThailandForum** · 06-03-2010, 07:57 PM

That was an idea at one time.

I just googled and yahooed "Best search engine" and "top search engine", both google and yahoo were absent from the first page, a site called dogpile was extremely noticeable by being number 1 and 2, they have none of the search terms in their domain name.

**C0ldf1re** · 06-03-2010, 08:31 PM

Thanks, Chris. That is a masterly answer!

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

... I KNOW headers are no use for ranking, However headings probably do...

That is what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

Concerning keywords in domain names:-

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... There is of course plenty of evidence to demonstrate that it is NOT an "important" factor.

We just thought it was a factor. We did not know the weight.

That's a very insightful reply. Thanks again!

**C0ldf1re** · 06-03-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ThailandForum

... I just googled and yahooed "Best search engine" and "top search engine", both google and yahoo were absent from the first page, a site called dogpile was extremely noticeable by being number 1 and 2, they have none of the search terms in their domain name.

It all has to be weighed against the advantages of having a unique brand name.

Possibly (possibly) they would have got off to a quicker start by calling themselves "BestSearchEngine" and having a URL like www-bestsearchengine-com. However, even if that helped them initially, they would have faced trademark and branding issues later.

**ThailandForum** · 06-04-2010, 04:38 AM

Think you will find search engine is a generic term so anybody can use it.

**C0ldf1re** · 06-04-2010, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ThailandForum

Think you will find search engine is a generic term so anybody can use it.

Yes, they would have faced trademark and branding issues later. (Thinks... haven't I read this somewhere before?)

**denverelrick** · 06-05-2010, 02:20 AM

I think that online technique is one of the best technique to get on top pages in google. Until the onpage optimization is not done perfectly I don't think there will be any positive effect of any other techniques.

**C0ldf1re** · 06-05-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by denverelrick

... online technique is one of the best technique to get on top pages in google...

What is that?

**chrishirst** · 06-05-2010, 10:21 AM

Well it is very difficult to get pages into Google that are offline!

**C0ldf1re** · 06-05-2010, 11:09 AM

I think I asked the proverbial stupid question. My wits go a little astray after a quarter of a bottle of vodka.

**ThailandForum** · 06-05-2010, 11:19 AM

Doesn't google accept postal submissions of websites anymore

**C0ldf1re** · 06-05-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThailandForum

Doesn't google accept postal submissions of websites anymore

Nah... Thai can't have said what I think he said... Surely I didn't take it seriously for a whole 2 seconds anyway... Must put vodka away...

**ThailandForum** · 06-05-2010, 02:26 PM

^Nope it's true, also if you include $50 in the envelope they will put you onto first page of google, here's the address.

Jomtien Post Office.
PO Box 113
Soi 5
Moo 10
Jomtien
Pattaya City
Chonburi
Thailand