The Other Search Engines

**mrjoek** · 03-25-2006, 07:43 PM

First, I heard that you should place any articles you plan on submitting on your site first, so that search engines know it has originated from you before sending it out to article farms. That this leads to the links being generated from them as more important. Is this true? And if so, how long do you have to have them on your site before it is safe to send them out?

I'm adding meta tags to my site as we speak....but I've heard some roomers that if you get too carried away with meta tags, they will be ignored. Any suggestions for what is too much?

Third, I have a content rich site. I am working on adding books we currently have in pdf to html pages, because the search engines seem to like those better. I am looking to secure more unique keyword searches while we are working our way to the top of our industry. Meta tags on each page of those too? And what about titles? What is too long of a title for the page....and which is more important, the title as it will show up on the top of the screen? Or the title as it actually appears on the address of the page? For instance, if the title where "A Parents Guide to Child Safety-Childproofing your kitchen-Childproofing your bedroom" is that getting too carried away with trying to include the keywords for the page in your title?

Any suggestions on this or anything else I have forgot would be greatly appreciated. Or any shortcuts. We are aiming for first page listings for the area's of sexual abuse prevention or sexual abuse, (Not very competetive) or Child safety (Much more competetive).

I know the content on our site blows the other competitors for those keywords away, which is why I guess I would like to find tricks or shortcuts to get on the first page with them without it taking years.

Thanks for the tips in advance.

Joe.
http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org

**chrishirst** · 03-25-2006, 08:17 PM

Nope just the usual mis-information. For duplicate articles SEs will show what pages are considered more important for the query, it may or may not be the original.

get carried away or not, meta tags (keywords) are ignored anyway by the mainstream SEs

I'd suggest starting your education here at the HR Tips for New SEOs

**vangogh** · 03-25-2006, 10:39 PM

I'd heard the same thing too about keeping the article on your site first, but have done that prior to submitting and if I search for the article my site doesn't come up first so I'm thinking Chris is right that's it's just information.

I agree about meta keywords. The only resaon I'd use them is if you feel like you have to or in the very minor chance that search engines will use them. Write a good meta description though. Not so much for search engines, but to help convince people to click on your links when they do show up in search engines.

I think that page title is fine. I think 3 times is the limit I would push the keywords there. There's a point where search engines will consider too many keywords in a title as spam, but I don't think you've reached it.

There really aren't any tricks or shortcuts to get you to the top fatser. From what you're doing I think you have the right idea with your pages. The next step is to get backlinks for your site which is going to be the key for competitive keywords.

**chrishirst** · 03-26-2006, 04:34 AM

just re-reading (now it's not the early am

)

I would change the title to

"Childproofing your Kitchen - Childproofing your Bedroom - A Parents Guide to Child Safety"

1/ It scans better (to me anyway)

2/ It will be truncated in the SERP display at around the "Guide to Child" point. So your main points for the page will still be prominent on the results page.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vangogh

I think 3 times is the limit I would push the keywords there. There's a point where search engines will consider too many keywords in a title as spam, but I don't think you've reached it

I'll have to differ a little here.
There may be point that the SEs will "consider" repeated words in some elements as spam, but it will be waaay past the point where real users will consider it crap
The SE algo engineers are not bothered if you want to make your pages look stupid by cramming titles and anchor text with keywords. They are more concerned about attempts to subvert their algo.

Quote:

Search Engine Spam
Any attempt to deceive a search engine's relevancy algorithm

From Alan Perkins White Paper The Classification of Search Engine Spam

**mrjoek** · 03-26-2006, 12:23 PM

Thanks for the replies. There are so many things out there that end up getting around, it's hard to tell fact from fiction sometimes. I guess I was curious because it seems that google in particular has picked up on some pages I wouldn't think they would have, and for certain keywords that are just off the topic of main searches, for instance, "child safety facts" are pulling us up on the first page. Since we have two fairly large books, one on safety and the other on abuse prevention, I figured that should add a lot of keyword searches through google. (Hopefully).

Also, anyone know of any good (preferably free) link databases in asp? I think I've gotten as far as I can with free one way links. To get anywhere real with reciprocals I would need a database and one which can check the reciprocals automatically. Currently go through go daddy, (No php capabilities as of now) However, I think I will switch as soon as I can.

www.lypha.com

Just thought I'd post that, I host another site through them, much, much better deals for what they give you and capabilities. I wish I had found it first.

Thanks again for all the replies.

**alansmith** · 03-28-2006, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrjoek

"A Parents Guide to Child Safety-Childproofing your kitchen-Childproofing your bedroom" is that getting too carried away with trying to include the keywords for the page in your title?

Joe,

For this example I would recommend seriously shortening your title.

<TITLE>Childproofing your bedroom, A parents guide</title>
meta description: Childproofing your bedroom, a parents guide to child safety childproofing your bedroom.

I would then create another page for "Childproofing your kitchen"

**Skorch1** · 03-28-2006, 05:25 PM

I would have to agree with the last post. If you split your content along those lines the pages would be more defined(if you use adsense this is good). The other big advantage is if you have 3 pages for child-proofing your kitchen(for babies, toddlers, kids or something like that) you would be more likely to return in a search result. You also could link to printable pages for child safety type organizations(poison control, What to do if? etc).

I would also watch my SERP's in MSN's search. It's based on more on-page factors than Google. Then when you're approaching the top of MSN you know you have a quality site and it's just a matter of time until Google agrees(you will need backlinks).

I would also go to <a href="http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/rc/srch/">here</a> and click on Keyword Selector tools (it's on the right side) and enter a few keywords.

Searches done in February 2006

Count Search Term

1193 child install proofing
488 child proofing
296 child proofing your home
122 child proofing product
90 child proofing the house
63 child proofing fireplace

**vistadivine.com** · 10-23-2006, 11:24 PM

Well there's nothing around there what you think.

Akash