The Other Search Engines

**snipergrunge** · 10-28-2006, 01:02 PM

I wrote about this problem on another forums...

I fouund a website who offered for couple hundered $ submit your site in 1000 small search engines, local search engines, international (not directories!). They prommised that traffic from small engines will be incredible. Also, it was a list of this search engines.
Instead of paying them, i went throught their list and submit my site manually. Later i was approved in about 150 of them... The rest 850 did't even crawl my site. Guess what?
Even year after i don't have visitors at all! I mean, 2,3 people a month!
This submission was waste of my time (thank's god not money) and i don't even have backlinks from all this "enginees".
Conclusion! Never pay for any submissions. And submit only in directories.
By the way, my friend paid for 2000 directories submission and all he got.... was 2000 PageRank 0 backlinks from PR0 directories.

good Luck!

**wmicro** · 12:38 PM

There are some who claim to be able to get you high rankings in no time at all because of some technique they possess or knowledge that they have, or amazing software that can submit to 10,000 search engines (of which 9,940 are far off places with obscure search engines with whom you do not want to be associated). These companies are misleading you. These people are preying on your innocence trust. This is how it usually works: A business pays for a website and can't find itself on any of the search engines, so the owner gets frustrated and thinks there has to be an easy way for millions of people to find their snappy new website. Some, less than scrupulous search engine submission services, appear to offer the quick, simple solution and in some cases may get results, more often than not though, it’s the last you’ll see of your money.

Just submitting your URL to a search engine is NOT enough

NOTE: Register your site every 3 - 4 weeks or when you make significant changes to your site.
NOTE: If your website has not been designed for maximum search engine appeal, then the chances of it receiving a high ranking are very small. It is wise to evaluate your Meta Tags and content before submitting to the major search engines.

Some search engine take time to be listed.

**people-finding** · 10-31-2006, 04:01 PM

I'd stick with submitting to the big three - google, yahoo and msn. you could submit your website to 10,000 "maw and pa" search engines and they'd still only generate a hundredth of the traffic google/msn or yahoo does.

**tango** · 11-01-2006, 12:44 AM

Hi people-finding!!
How you are doing the submission? By paying them or by adding to the directories?

**wmicro** · 09:56 PM

You need both directories and a good submission software or website.

I am sorry that I cannot be more specific with any question on this forum.
The purpose on any good webmaster talk is where members can learn, share, and master the web together without your opinions or ideals will be deleted.
Reason: reposting sections from other peoples articles
This infraction is worth 20 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires.
Serious infractions will never expire.
I belong to many online forms and never and, I repeat never had problems like this.
Well it's time to bit the dust and stick to good talk forums that does help the new uses.

**Jeyce** · 11-02-2006, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snipergrunge

I wrote about this problem on another forums...

I fouund a website who offered for couple hundered $ submit your site in 1000 small search engines, local search engines, international (not directories!). They prommised that traffic from small engines will be incredible. Also, it was a list of this search engines.
Instead of paying them, i went throught their list and submit my site manually. Later i was approved in about 150 of them... The rest 850 did't even crawl my site. Guess what?
Even year after i don't have visitors at all! I mean, 2,3 people a month!
This submission was waste of my time (thank's god not money) and i don't even have backlinks from all this "enginees".
Conclusion! Never pay for any submissions. And submit only in directories.
By the way, my friend paid for 2000 directories submission and all he got.... was 2000 PageRank 0 backlinks from PR0 directories.

good Luck!

IMO, the problem with that is they were local.

**vangogh** · 11-02-2006, 11:07 AM

There's far too much misinformation going on here. First you never need to submit your site to a search engine. It is better to let them find you though links. Submitting your site to a search engine does not mean anyone will ever find you when they search for something. All it means is you are telling that search engine you exist and that they should add you to the list of sites to spider. It will not get your site indexed any faster and you will make it into the index faster by having other sites link to your site.

snipergrunge, the truth is you got ripped off. Hopefully it didn't cost much and just consider it a lesson learned. Again see the above paragraph for why you don't need to submit to search engines, but also can you even name 1000 search engines? Can you name 100? Could you name 20? Ok I could do 20, but the point is that only a handful of search engines and you know which ones are going to drive enough traffic to your site to worry about them. Trust me, in time the others will find you.

But even with the major engines you do not need to submit your site to them. You can if you want to, but it's generally a pointless exercise. It's not going to bring traffic to your site. Focus on building a site that people will find useful and then work on getting other useful sites to link t yours.

**jbladeus** · 11-02-2006, 12:14 PM

just get links from other sites and directories and all search engines will eventually pick you up, whether big or small. No need to submit to search engines, specially the smaller ones. Average web user doesnt t use anything other than Google, Yahoo or Msn anyways.

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**chrishirst** · 11-05-2006, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmicro

I am sorry that I cannot be more specific with any question on this forum.
The purpose on any good webmaster talk is where members can learn, share, and master the web together without your opinions or ideals will be deleted.
Reason: reposting sections from other peoples articles
This infraction is worth 20 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires.
Serious infractions will never expire.
I belong to many online forms and never and, I repeat never had problems like this.
Well it's time to bit the dust and stick to good talk forums that does help the new uses.

No, the problem was that you were simply posting complete articles by other people and threads from other forums without properly attributing the source of the information thus making it appear that it was YOUR article, and if you had responded to the PERSONAL message, rather than once again posting the contents of it here and making it public, you would have been informed of this.

**vangogh** · 11-05-2006, 12:38 PM

wmicro you were also pushing your own affiliate products as a form of good advice.

**ADAM Web Design** · 11-05-2006, 12:44 PM

Steve's right. This thread is a fountain of misinformation.

First off, "submission software" as wmicro suggested is a complete waste of time. It does exactly what a user wouldn't want, and "submits" to 10,000 places that no one will ever visit and that millions of others are submitting to, thus lowering the quality and position of the link to the point where it's completely useless, assuming it's still there.

All anyone gets from submission software is about 500 spam emails a day talking about how to promote sites, gambling, adult entertainment, and the size of one's member.

So don't use submission software...period.

Next on the agenda: submitting a URL to the major search engines. This doesn't really work either (although engines publish that it does, so this is partly their fault). What you need, as Steve pointed out, is a site that people can and will provide quality links to. These are the links that will get you indexed and boost your rankings.

In other words, the best thing you can do to try and get anywhere is to take the couple of hundred bucks and kiss it goodbye. It's money lost. Lesson learned...we hope. It sucks, but that's the reality of your situation.

Your best bet is simply to build something that works and that people will want to link to. If you've got to pay to do so with the myriad of free places you can get a link from, you're doing something wrong.

**markov** · 11-05-2006, 03:21 PM

I'm aware of only Google, Yahoo , MSN, AOL, AltaVista, HotBot, Lycos, and Ask Jeeves. But as specified 150 small SE's, these might be used by a minute population. Just concentrate on only the first three brothers.

**Cre8ive 1** · 11-05-2006, 07:17 PM

does your site have relevant content or links???

**The Critic** · 11-06-2006, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vangogh

First you never need to submit your site to a search engine. It is better to let them find you though links.

The second I saw the title this is the first thing that came into my mind. Just having your url in your forum profile or sig will probably get you indexed faster than manually submitting your site.

**terryjohn.smith** · 11-06-2006, 08:51 AM

hi,
can i know what are the benefits to submit a website to search engines, while websites are indexed by search engines automaticaly.

then why need to submit? i never submit websites to search engines.

pls help.

**bigzy** · 11-06-2006, 12:34 PM

i dont understand it either... How do major companies get such high traffic, they obviously pay a fortune for someone who has the knowledge to do it!

**The Critic** · 11-06-2006, 04:15 PM

Submitting your site to search engines has nothing to do with ranking well in the SERPs. All it does is provide a tool for people who don't understand how spiders work to get their site listed. If you have even a single link pointing to your site you don't need to manually submit it, although sitemaps can help. Ranking well in the SERPs is about having content relevant to the keywords you are targetting, and having links from relevant pages using anchor text similar to your desired keywords. Having the keywords in your domain name doesn't hurt either.

**vangogh** · 11-06-2006, 04:51 PM

There's a lot more to getting traffic than I could type in this post or this thread. There's plenty of information here at the forum and at many other forums. I've written an SEO Tutorial on the basics if you want to have a read.

As for the benefit of submitting to search engines there is none. That's why you don't need to submit to them. When you submit your site you're telling a search engine you exist and it's supposed to lead to them adding your site to their index. Being added to the index though has nothing to do with whether or not your pages will be returned in search results.

You obviously want to be indexed, because if a search engine doesn't know about your pages then it's hard for them to return one of those pages to a search qeury. But just because you're included in the index doesn't mean you will automatically show up in search results.

Search engines will find you without you having to tell them you exist. They follow the links on the web so if a page they already know about includes a link to your site they will find that link and then you. Adding a link to your forum signature and making a few posts should be enough.

Submitting your site to a search engine won't get them to index you faster. Chances are there going to ignore your submission and wait till they find links to you anyway. At the very least they'll find a link to you sooner than they will find you on the list of submissions.

**scolls** · 06:40 PM

Submitting to an SE gets your URL into a queue. Whether this method gets you indexed faster or not depends on the size of the queue, time to get you you in that queue, and the chances that the SE has already seeded itself with your URL from some other page before your turn in the queue.
No harm in it whatsoever. I think sometimes ppl go a bit off the deepend with this submissions thing, as I've even read people blurting out that submitting to SE's will somehow hurt your chances of getting indexed! Have to really stretch the imagination quite far to swallow that one!
Anyhow, if you had submitted to Google in the 90's would you have been wasting your time?

I think each person's case is different, and contrary to popular belief, people don't always find what they're looking for with Google, although it's naturally a logical first choice to start your search with a large SE. However, it's naturally far easier to compete on highly competitive search terms with smaller SE's, as the competition is generally much less stiff.

So while you might not get huge dollops of traffic from smaller SE's, there's one thing you can be sure of, is that the person who you just got referred to you be the smaller SE has gone to some length to find what he was looking for. So if you happen to be selling what he's looking for, you've got an easy conversion ahead of you.

Also, people talk too freely about all the huge traffic they get from large SE's, but on what search terms? How many are actually getting highly targetted traffic on the terms they intended competing on to try capture their market? In competitive markets most sites will be much lower down in the SERP's and probably not be found anyway, more probably for some more obscure terms.

So the way I see it, there's really no such thing as a waste of time! Only loads of ongoing work, using all avenues at one's disposal. Of course, you don't need to pay, and you only need really submit once.