Web Directories

**aditne** · 02-10-2008, 12:22 PM

Hello webmasters.

Most of the websites are placed in Directories. Is it really usefull for link building?

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-10-2008, 01:18 PM

Depends. There are a few that are useful, but most of them will never send you a visitor as long as they're in existence (which is approximately 17 seconds on average).

Personally, I find directory submission the kind of thing I like to do at the end of a day when my mind's been overstimulated and I end up staring at the wall. It's mind-numbing and it helps me sleep.

**aditne** · 02-10-2008, 03:27 PM

Thank you ADAM for your good suggestion.

**willcode4beer** · 02-12-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

It's mind-numbing and it helps me sleep.

Funny, I read SEO posts for the very same reason

**Blinky82** · 02-12-2008, 10:48 PM

As far as I get it he was talking about link building. What the traffic has to do with this? If you wait for visitors from there directories, well you will wait a long time - maybe one or even two per week or month.

If you want to get traffic, then try articles directories, social sites, forums, but regular directories won't offer you a lot and good traffic. And could say that directories are great way to get back links - the ones with higher PR are more useful, but keep in your mind that every link from these directories (talking about your link on indexed page) is more than welcome if you are trying to get good positions in the SEs.

**kalseo** · 02-13-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

Depends. There are a few that are useful, but most of them will never send you a visitor as long as they're in existence (which is approximately 17 seconds on average).

Personally, I find directory submission the kind of thing I like to do at the end of a day when my mind's been overstimulated and I end up staring at the wall. It's mind-numbing and it helps me sleep.

Use of link directories have never been sending visitors. The only reason is link building and this is one of the best SEO boosters Adam

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-13-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kalseo

Use of link directories have never been sending visitors. The only reason is link building and this is one of the best SEO boosters Adam

It took me a while to figure out why this is such a stupid argument, and why it reveals the mass idiocy in the SEO industry, but until you get organic traffic from IBLs you'll never see it. But here's the explanation, just because I'm feeling generous (and I know most of you out there will completely miss the bus on this one):

Links that are worth having send quantifiable, direct traffic. They may or may not have a direct SEO benefit (the IBM blog network comes to mind as an example of the latter), but they send traffic...the same traffic that is every SEO's goal from the beginning. By gathering traffic from IBLs, you lessen your dependence on SEO and quite often gain SEO and further traffic benefits as others pick up on the link and discuss it on their own sites.

Why is there this bizarre insistence on going after links that do very little if any good and are usually temporary because most directory webmasters get bored of seeing 6 visitors per month that aren't there to submit their own site and may or may not click on one of the Adsense ads? Because so-called A-listers put the idea in the heads of the great unwashed and they blindly follow it without fully considering the concept and if there's a better way to go about it.

Simply put, real link building stems from quality content and creates diversification of traffic sources that lessen the need for SEO and specifically blackhat SEO tricks. If you like, I can show you a comment from a prominent Googler endorsing that concept.

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-13-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by willcode4beer

Funny, I read SEO posts for the very same reason

Except for mine. Their deep-rooted intellectual capacity keeps you awake at night turning the wheels in your brain, right?

**Blinky82** · 02-13-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kalseo

Use of link directories have never been sending visitors. The only reason is link building and this is one of the best SEO boosters Adam

That is what I mend in my old post.

**kalseo** · 02-13-2008, 12:11 PM

Adam, do you want to show you my portfolio? I have enter more than 200 website in top 10 of Google, every website target more than 20 keywords, some even have more than 300 competitive keywords. Reading blogs and posting in forums is not practice. All SE algorithms are very simple and even can't reveal how relevant and how quality is link. Link is link, no matter one way, relevant content website or forum signature.

As you can see aditne do not ask you for traffic, he ask you about Link Building.

Good luck with forum posting

**willcode4beer** · 02-13-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

Except for mine. Their deep-rooted intellectual capacity keeps you awake at night turning the wheels in your brain, right?

absolutely

**ecommerce_guru** · 02-14-2008, 08:23 AM

agree with kalseo, its all about link building to increase your site popularity, when i submit to directories i don't expect a traffic increase.. i always expect higher ranking by time.. i had more than 5 PR6 directories with strong backlinks from relevant directories with high PageRanks.

**beckyweb** · 02-14-2008, 09:43 PM

Directory only offers backlinks ( Inbound ) if you really want to hit a BIG TRAFFIC do BLOGGING

**Tone** · 02-19-2008, 08:31 AM

I have never expected any traffic from directories some are ok i suppose in terms of a link but it is guesswork as to how valuable that link is.

**journey08** · 02-20-2008, 08:48 PM

Web directories are useful for link building because they can be good sources of backlinks...

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-20-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kalseo

Adam, do you want to show you my portfolio? I have enter more than 200 website in top 10 of Google, every website target more than 20 keywords, some even have more than 300 competitive keywords. Reading blogs and posting in forums is not practice. All SE algorithms are very simple and even can't reveal how relevant and how quality is link. Link is link, no matter one way, relevant content website or forum signature.

No, I don't, because you made the same mistake most so-called SEOs make: you base your success on rank checking. That's a completely useless exercise at the best of times and ultimately establishes nothing. All you've managed to do is establish that you're one of the blind sheep. Real SEOs get three things:

1) The only real measure of search engine success comes from stats gathered internally by a website (e.g. referrals, sales, profits).

2) Different servers return different results, as does personalization and a myriad of other factors.

3) Anyone who throws out the term "link building" in its generic sense usually follows the term in its generic sense and has absolutely no idea what the term is actually supposed to mean (i.e. that true link building generates traffic).

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As you can see aditne do not ask you for traffic, he ask you about Link Building.

You really have no idea how stupid that sounds. But let me put it to you very simply:

The reason behind link building is to get traffic.

The best links will send organic, real traffic...the very same traffic SEOs try to go after...directly. You can either simplify the equation and go after this direct traffic and consider the SEO traffic a bonus...or you can try getting crappy directory links that won't send you visitors and hope that somehow they'll boost you up in the search engines enough so that you can get referrals, thereby putting all your eggs in one basket.

Why is it that SEOs would rather try for indirect traffic than direct traffic? This doesn't make sense at all.

I'd personally love to see what would happen if Google, Yahoo! and MSN ever shut down simultaneously. It won't ever happen, but if it did, most so-called SEOs would be completely screwed.

**seolman** · 02-20-2008, 11:17 PM

I'm sorry but the ratio of bonehead opinions to sound SEO advice in this thread is about 15:1. Let me trim this down for you in simple terms:

Goal for web site = traffic
Traffic providing links > non-traffic backlinks

WHY?? Because decent rankings for a few search terms can come and go but links that bring traffic provide consistent traffic results.

Naturally, good rankings can bring some traffic. But the best 'backlinks' are those that people click on to visit your site.

Sorry for stealing your diatribe Adam and simplifying it...but I triumph over dead penguins...

**ADAM Web Design** · 02-20-2008, 11:24 PM

That's cool, man. At least you admitted to stealing it as opposed to coming up with it yourself despite mine being immediately above it.

**seolman** · 02-20-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

That's cool, man. At least you admitted to stealing it as opposed to coming up with it yourself despite mine being immediately above it.

You can count on my being an honest thief. It's a matter of principle!

**jamestl2** · 02-21-2008, 03:59 AM

I have to ask the OP here: WHY are you focusing on link building? What GOALS from using these methods are you trying to reach?

If it's for traffic, then take the points Dave and Adam stated to heart.

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Originally Posted by seolman

I'm sorry but the ratio of bonehead opinions to sound SEO advice in this thread is about 15:1.

Let's do some math here

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Before that post there were 16 posts, and Adam previously made four posts. I'll let you figure out the rest

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