Hi ... anybody heard of "Prayo Hosting"? Front page of site is interesting and there's a discount offer running on e-Bay, but company seems a tad secretive. Details, experience, evaluation would be good. Thanks.

hmm, well most web host sellers on ebay are resellers but if anything, google search the company "Prayo Hosting". The results will speak for themselves.

LOL.. this looks like a 14 year old company from top to bottom:

*Selling on eBay
*Offering discount from $15 per year
*Don't have monthly payments
*Don't have a billing software (you are just taken to paypal to subscribe)
*Don't even say how much space the give you
*The website is beyond crap (pages missing, buttons missing, pages not edited from the template...)
*That quad xeon (if it exists) has just 1 GB of ram
* Quote from eBay

How are you able to provide unlimited space and bandwith hosting ?

Our data center right now has over 600 servers and we provide hosting for more than 2,000 customers. Therefore if you fill up one server with files or use a lot of bandwith, adding one more to our data center will not be a problem. This is our unconditional guarantee!

If this company offers unlimited features, I wouldn't trust them. There is no such thing as unlimited hosting

Originally Posted by whym

There is no such thing as unlimited hosting

Get a new line plz...

There is no such thing as flying saucers, but a crapload of ppl believe they exist...

Originally Posted by cabron

There is no such thing as flying saucers, but a crapload of ppl believe they exist...

This coming from a person who is offering unlimited bandwidth with his plans...

At least i don't believe i flying saucers

But still... a new line would be appreciated...

Originally Posted by cabron

At least i don't believe i flying saucers

But still... a new line would be appreciated...

Who said I believe in flying saucers? Probability suggests there are probably aliens in one form or another out there somewhere, but thats off topic.

Can I suggest you put a limit on your hosting? I mean what if I signed up, then used 100TB of bandwidth, but only 5GB of space? You'd go bankrupt - or you'd suspend my account and then I'd sue you!

Originally Posted by whym

Can I suggest you put a limit on your hosting? I mean what if I signed up, then used 100TB of bandwidth, but only 5GB of space? You'd go bankrupt - or you'd suspend my account and then I'd sue you!

Well the thing is i'm just an employee... i didn't do the plans and i can't change them (not that i will in the 1st place).

I do understand that you want to stand out by pretending you don't oversell, but considering you are on a reseller which can't manage the resource usage on his server i wouldn't brag that "i never oversell" if i were you cuz your server might be already oversold.

So you accusing me (actually the company that i work for) of overselling like it's a murder or something is quite funny considering it comes from a reseller.

So please start your accusation (or law suits if you want) when you would at least host from your own dedicated server and not just a few quid reseller.

Originally Posted by cabron

Well the thing is i'm just an employee... i didn't do the plans and i can't change them (not that i will in the 1st place).

I do understand that you want to stand out by pretending you don't oversell, but considering you are on a reseller which can't manage the resource usage on his server i wouldn't brag that "i never oversell" if i were you cuz your server might be already oversold.

So you accusing me (actually the company that i work for) of overselling like it's a murder or something is quite funny considering it comes from a reseller.

So please start your accusation (or law suits if you want) when you would at least host from your own dedicated server and not just a few quid reseller.

Whatever you are, you obviously don't care about your customers. Its perfectly within your power NOT to oversell, but you chose to. At least I care about mine and don't mislead them with false advertising

Originally Posted by whym

Whatever you are, you obviously don't care about your customers. Its perfectly within your power NOT to oversell, but you chose to. At least I care about mine and don't mislead them with false advertising

Overselling is done by everybody to raise the efficiency of the usage. massive overselling is just a marketing technique used all over the world in almost every domain.

Not caring about the customers? Do you have 24*7 support? Can you tackle issues that need ssh? Can you fix a website that ain't working cuz of a server issue?

I guess you can't. You have to relay (when you are online-> not at school, not sleeping, not drinking pints with your mates) all tech issues you get to eukhost.com and they have to fix it.

So the time till an issue is fixed is:

Time till you see the ticket+time till you pass the ticket to eukhost.com+time till they see it+time till they fix it+time till you get the response and relay it to your customer.

So don't tell me about caring about your customers when you don't even have ssh access and tell them to use "your nameservers" when they actually point to eukhost's. That's misleading...

Here's a quote from your host who "doesn't oversell"... just like you:

Cabron: how many reseller accounts do you place on a server?
Mark: 100
Cabron: and what are the specs for a server.... like agusta? Mark: Agusta has Quad Core Xeon with 4 GB RAM
Mark: 2 x 250 GB
Cabron: raid sumthin?
Mark: yep
Mark: RAID1

Now that means that the server has only about 230 - 240 GB to use (read about raid 1 before denying it).
Considering the server has 100 resellers which average about 17 GB per account they should have 1.7 TB space... that means 3.4 TB of hdds...that means that they sell 8 times what they have!

Your host oversells => You oversell => You don't care about your customers (your logic)

I don't know what your talking about but you make huge generalisations and you use a stereotypical view of everything.

1) I rarely if ever go off binge drinking with my mates. I'm not that sort of guy (thankfully).

2) My logic was - You have the power NOT to oversell since they are your own servers, BUT you choose to oversell despite this. I on the other hand am a smaller host and I don't yet have my own server. Despite this, I have chosen not to oversell what I do have, and if I had a server of my own, I expect I would do the same.

Lets say you have a 500GB server, with 1000 accounts on it and a bandwidth allowance of 2.5TB:

Space = 500/1000= average of 500MB per user.
Bandwidth = 2.5TB/UNLIMITED = Cannot be done since it is impossible.

Stop overselling stupidly and be a responsible host - inform people that there is no such thing as unlimited traffic/space etc. at the very least, and put limits on your traffic allowances, even if these are still oversold. That will be better than overselling infinitely!


Can I also say that I believe this has gone far enough and that if it continues, I'll ask a mod to close this. We've gone completely off topic here, since the original post was about bad hosting companies (then again, maybe not off topic)

Originally Posted by whym

Space = 500/1000= average of 500MB per user.
Bandwidth = 2.5TB/UNLIMITED = Cannot be done since it is impossible.

The thing is you have no idea why we offer unlimited bandwidth and you don't seem to understand the fact that we have unmetered connections. The idea behind this was to pass it on to our customers... and that's what we do. We have some guys that used 100GB of traffic in a single day and nothing happened as they didn't go over the cpu/mem/sql limit.

Originally Posted by whym

Stop overselling stupidly and be a responsible host

Responsible as I see it is when you provide a good service for your customers every time they need it and as fast as possible.

Look at Hostgator for example. They got a huge load of good reviews and almost all that use them say they are great despite the fact that they oversell a lot more than the company I work for. There are lots of other hosts like that and ppl feel that they are responsible hosts, even if they massively oversell both their space and their bandwidth.

Overselling hasn't killed nobody, it just made smaller prices for bigger plans. Massive overselling (500GB space, 5 TB traffic) is just as selling unlimited everything, but putting a cap on it.

If a host wouldn't oversell it would use 2% of the server with the server sold which would translate in a huge inefficiency. No real host does that!

Now you buy your own server, pay hundreds of pounds for it every month and then start bragging about not overselling a thing! Not now when you can't oversell because you don't have overselling enabled by your host!

Mods please close this - it's getting way out of hand. It's turned into a slanging match between me and cabron which it shouldn't be.

Cabron - if I want to, I can ask my host to enable overselling, but I don't want to. Please don't write back because I've just said it's getting out of control.

Offering unlimited bandwidth is no bigger crime than offering 3000 GB bandwidth for a 5$ package. Most big hosts do offer it and not many people have a problem with that. Everybody is overselling beyond all practical limits, so why pick on small hosts who are just trying to survive?

While I appreciate your point of view and being a small host I can see what you mean, I don't really think there is anything constructive in continuing this debate since it's not related to the original question.

I'm fairly sure the original question has been answered, but if not, I think I speak for most people when I say there are plenty of hosts out there so since there seem to be several things that members think is suspect about this host, then maybe you should choose another.

Since I do not want this slanging match to continue and it's off-topic, I will close this thread. If you still have questions drgeorgep, don't hesitate to open a new thread on the subject and also read my advice on choosing a host here.

Whym