Hello all-

We have been pretty busy lately and I have not had the time to read, as I would like. So, I have had some catching up to do.

I have seen several posts mentioning this-or-that hosting service as being great, which is a good thing....except when they offer unlimited space or bandwidth. I could not believe my eyes. Surely people aren't still falling for this. There is no such thing as unlimited bandwidth or space.

How do I know? Quick! someone call Yahoo, Microsoft, and Google. They may just want to host with these "unlimited" space and bandwith hosts. Their backups will be stored on those new "unlimited" hard-drives. You know, the ones that do not exist. Perhaps Yahoo's 1.5 billion page views per day(http://solutions.yahoo.com/advertise.../figuresQ3.pdf) will all be able to take advantage of the "unlimited" bandwidth.

I apologize if this offends anyone, but people need to wake up. If you see unlimited space or unlimited bandwith, flashing lights and sirens should go off in your head.

Originally posted by Perfecthost
I apologize if this offends anyone, but people need to wake up. If you see unlimited space or unlimited bandwith, flashing lights and sirens should go off in your head.

it really isn't always so. I have been with a host for several months now and I have 'unlimited' everything: subdomains, webspace, emails, databases, etc. etc.

I pay handsomely for that but IMO it is worth it for no worries about how big my sites get.

I do realize there will eventually be a limit but what I like about 'unlimited' bandwidth is that my site won't be shut off if it goes over quota because there isn't one.

I think people need to stop taking the word 'unlimited' so literally. When it comes to bandwidth that just means that your site won't be shut down if you go over the alloted bandwidth.

I also know my host and he would not overload any one server so as to leave plenty for everyone. He is good like that.

Actually, it IS always so. If I promise you something, I had better be sure to come through with it. If it is not unlimited, don't use the word "unlimited". If we do not have to take advertisements literally, someone could advertise unlimited everything for free, then charge outrageous sums. Visit some of the webhost hangouts and read about people getting shut off at 3G transfer by unlimited hosts. If you have a forum which uses 100G of transfer per month, you will see how quickly you can be shut down---nice guy or not.

Unlimited does not equal un-metered. There is a definite difference.

Are you referring to the host of your theradioedge.com site?

-Lamar

Originally posted by Perfecthost
If you have a forum which uses 100G of transfer per month, you will see how quickly you can be shut down---nice guy or not.

Are you referring to the host of your theradioedge.com site?

-Lamar

I know the guy and he would not shut me down.

And RadioEdge isn't mine but my friend Christi's. I don't know who she is hosting with.

I am sure I could do a who is and check. Truthfully I have never asked her though as I am content with my host.

Ok did a who is and this is where she is hosted as stated here:
http://cabnet.net/websites.html

I checked and I think she and the others are hosted on an adsl line.

The server you are on is at the dv2 NOC in Atlanta, Georgia.

Originally posted by Perfecthost


The server you are on is at the dv2 NOC in Atlanta, Georgia.

okay well that is interesting to know.

My point is that you will not get unlimited bandwidth from an adsl line or a datacenter which went bankrupt 2 months ago.

I honestly am not trying to flame anyone, but do feel very strongly about unlimited space and unlimited bandwidth (as used in the context of transfer). I apologize if it came out the wrong way.

-Lamar

i have to say i agree with PH.

he explained to me a while ago, and it does make perfect sense. however high the amount of space that you CAN have, there is always a limit. there is no such thing as an unlimited hard drive. perhaps we're being picky, but if your site exceeds the...for arguments sake...120gb of the HDD of the server you're on, then you cannot get any bigger. thus, although 99.999% of sites will never fill this much space, space is NOT unlimited, because it can be filled.

also with bandwith. once the entire bandwith allowance of the company or server etc. has been used up, there is NO MORE bandwith for you to use. thus bandwith also cannot be unlimited. it can be extremely high, so high you would not conceieve yourself ever being able to fill it, but it is still not unlimited.

is it better then to say "unlimited" or "more than you will ever fill." surely the second is more accurate, but doens't sound as good as the first. its your choice. one is inaccurate, but then, we're just being picky.

to note, one popular forum has a little smilie that throws up the words "unlimited bandwith" just thought it was worth a mention

Originally posted by DaveTodd


to note, one popular forum has a little smilie that throws up the words "unlimited bandwith" just thought it was worth a mention

You are right, it is picky.

Where is that smilie? Can you at least post a link to the image file itself? I must see it!!!!

*Drachewyn is a smilie addict*

Originally posted by Drachewyn
I do realize there will eventually be a limit but what I like about 'unlimited' bandwidth is that my site won't be shut off if it goes over quota because there isn't one.

If the host's definition of "unlimited" is like I think Drache is saying, then it is totally different than the literal definition. Drache has a good host in that her site won't be shutdown if she exceeds her quota. But some hosts will shutdown your site faster than you can say "Ah oh!"!

So if the host is saying that it's unlimited in that when you exceed a certain amount/quota they won't shut your site down as long as you pay for the amount in excess, then it is unlimited when you have the funds to pay for excess bandwidth. But, you're still paying for it.

You can't say that you'll pay x dollars for month regardless of what you use. You can say they won't shut you down and you'll pay the x+ dollars when you go over a certain amount.

What I dislike is that the hosts that use the term "unlimited" don't explain what they mean by that. Their unlimited space and unlimited bandwidth policies are ambiguous at best.

IMO, "unlimited" is used in advertising to attract customers. Just as many words in the amazing English language, it has different meanings for different people. IMO, we're all using different definitions for the term, so we'll never really agree on what it means.

Like "To be, or not to be?", the question is "To be literal, or not to be literal?"

Dave

Originally posted by DMo224
If the host's definition of "unlimited" is like I think Drache is saying, then it is totally different than the literal definition. Drache has a good host in that her site won't be shutdown if she exceeds her quota. But some hosts will shutdown your site faster than you can say "Ah oh!"!

This is where some hosts use "un-metered". I am still not happy with it, but it is better than "unlimited" bandwidth.

Here is one of the smilies. I will look for the others when I have time.

Originally posted by Perfecthost
Here is one of the smilies. I will look for the others when I have time.

LOVE IT!! Saved it to my emoticon folder. It is times like this I get thankful they are so small or I might have run out of space on my hard drive.

the term in question is "unlimited"

two points to make

* unlimited space cannot be unlimited because once the HDD of a pc is used up, there is no more space for you
* unlimited bandwith cannot be unlimited because once you exceed the bandwith quota of the company, there is no more bandwith without further expenditure.

there are hosting packages which, when you sign up for them, offer "unlimited disk space" and "unlimited bandwith". thus, you don't pay for the extra, the extra is included, there is no quota for you to exceed. it is these companies that are causing the problem.

if it is a company that offers you "2gb transfer + $0.01/extra mb" then its acceptable, it makes sense. then it can be unlimited, because you can keep paying. likewise "350mb space + $0.05/extra mb" is the same

hope that makes sense

Originally posted by Drachewyn


LOVE IT!! Saved it to my emoticon folder. It is times like this I get thankful they are so small or I might have run out of space on my hard drive.

How many smilies do you have?
<<Lamar prepares himself for a shockingly high number>>

Originally posted by Perfecthost


How many smilies do you have?
<<Lamar prepares himself for a shockingly high number>>

well I did a properties check on the folder they are in and currently I have 994.