Hi,

What I see today is the web hosting market flooded by shared web hosts and "hosting companies wanna be" that offer "unlimited" for a few bugs. Overselling isn't good but the higher competition helps the market to grow. What I'm interested is to hear what do you think about various models of doing web hosting business. Do you think that web hosting becomes a SAS market?

I believe that every reasonable person understand that unlimited is not possible in web hosting

Overselling offers can be prevent on the forums and other ad boards. But on their own sites no. That is a bait for the new people

Originally Posted by microvps

Overselling offers can be prevent on the forums and other ad boards. But on their own sites no. That is a bait for the new people

That is not a problem for them actually and they still catch lots of people for their tricks.

Overselling kills the market. But now things seem to be changing. Small compamies disappearing. I suppose that we should wait to see what will happen

Actually it is a marketing model. People always have a tendency to catch offers those allows them to use more resources for less price. That is the trick behind unlimited offers. There is unlimited things if you can buy a hard disk with unlimited space.

Originally Posted by SiberForum

Overselling kills the market. But now things seem to be changing. Small compamies disappearing. I suppose that we should wait to see what will happen

I'm pretty sure overselling is not killing the market in any way. Virtually all data centers oversell, and they do just fine. BTW, you can't sell unmetered space/data transfer and not oversell.

Originally Posted by ~ServerPoint~

I believe that every reasonable person understand that unlimited is not possible in web hosting

Who is reasonable nowadays with all those ads that offer unlimited space and bandwidth ?

I'm pretty sure overselling is not killing the market in any way. Virtually all data centers oversell, and they do just fine. BTW, you can't sell unmetered space/data transfer and not oversell.

I assume that small overselling that is good thing. But huge overselling that is bad things and we can fight against it.

I am a website hosting company owner.

We do not oversell our website hosting plans and they start from only $4 per month.

I do not see the whole point in overselling because it can make the host unstable.

I play the safe route to provide one of the most stable, reliable and affordable website hosting plans.

~ Mike

Who is reasonable nowadays with all those ads that offer unlimited space and bandwidth ?

You are right. But simple logic conclusion must help in the situation. But somtiems people are exiting with the offers you are right

Originally Posted by ms2134

I am a website hosting company owner.

We do not oversell our website hosting plans and they start from only $4 per month.

I do not see the whole point in overselling because it can make the host unstable.

I play the safe route to provide one of the most stable, reliable and affordable website hosting plans.

~ Mike

Please go easy on the sales talk... $14 for 300GB of data transfer is not overselling?

In the better cases a dedicated server will come with 3TB of data transfer. With no overselling, you'd be charging $140 per server. What kind of server can that be, and will it even be able to push 3TB of data transfer?

Further, as a Resellerspanel reseller you can't possibly know how many accounts they really put per server (or if they oversell).

unlimited and unmetered, both are 2 faces of same coin(overselling)

Originally Posted by niceboy

unlimited and unmetered, both are 2 faces of same coin(overselling)

Not necessarily

unmetered may also mean that you are not going hit them with an extra charge each time they go over "X" amount of transfer in a given time period.

Not necessarily

unmetered may also mean that you are not going hit them with an extra charge each time they go over "X" amount of transfer in a given time period.

You are right Cris. But at the same time people accept that as the same thing like something huge and unbelievable.

Like I said in my previous posts, Unlimited thing is not bad at all with established, genuine hosting providers. These days more and more big companies are adopting this unlimited strategy to grow their business. It's all the fault of people who cannot understand the hosting business and never read any TOS and jump in and sign up with a company that uses the word "Unlimited".

And there is not much difference with any of the two hosting providers, one of which offers unlimited and the second limited (say 20 GB diskspace and 50 GB Bandwidth). It's all in the CPU resources usage as far as the shared hosting business is concerned. Every one of those shared hosting providers limit the CPU resources usage anyway.

It's all the fault of people who cannot understand the hosting business and never read any TOS and jump in and sign up with a company that uses the word "Unlimited".

An excuse used by every fraudster and scammer since the dawn of time.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

An excuse used by every fraudster and scammer since the dawn of time.

Need not necessarily be. You can't use such kind of excuses and play with the legal system if you are a fraudster.

A good example that it is important you read the TOS of every service you use is "Recently I wanted to start a website on Forex ( I mean I had no intention of scamming anyone or anything of that kind). So, I prepared everything to start my site on my hostgator sharing hosting account. But somehow I got to read the Terms of Services (it just happened while I was searching for the inode restrictions of hostgator) of Hostgator just before a few hours of the time I intended to launch. In their terms of services it was stated that you cannot start a Investment site (Forex).

Well, If I didn't know it and went ahead and started a site and made it big, what would have happend? Just imagine!

Since I am supporting the "Unlimited" thing probably you are thinking like I am scammer or something. But if you haven't already understood it, there is no big difference between those unlimited offers and hosts that offer some good big packages.

Could you please tell me which "limited" host you use to host your sites? I will try my best to come up with my argument why it is no better than all those unlimited host offers.

Could you please tell me which "limited" host you use to host your sites?

None at all.

Ourselves on 2 dedicated servers. and we also sell hosting to clients without trying to con them into buying something they obviously are not going to get.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

None at all.

Ourselves on 2 dedicated servers. and we also sell hosting to clients without trying to con them into buying something they obviously are not going to get.

You and me both Chris.

Listen, the fact of the matter is that you can't give someone limitless web space. A server can't handle that. A server has a limit. The "web space" that everyone is referring to - is simple hard drive space. So, unless you can walk into a best buy, and find an unlimited HDD - I don't see how you could think it's possible.

So, why does the term exist - and why do people use it? Well, it's called overselling. No one can really give you "unlimited" - but you aren't going to use "unlimited" anyway. Most customers end up using a few MB - and that's why some modern hosts permit themselves to lie in the way that they do today.

I offer web space that can be used at any time, in full, 100% of the month - by any legal content you may please. Please show me how "Unlimited" is better than that?