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Old 05-24-2010, 12:19 PM What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Recently entering the hosting business, its come to my attention the average person isn't aware of common web hosting practices and what they mean. I figured I would type up a quick guide, and try to explain what Overselling is, and the deal with Unlimited Hosting.

Overselling, what it is and how it can affect you as a client
Wikipedia defines overselling as:

"In the web hosting industry, the term is used to describe a situation in which a company provides hosting plans that are unsustainable if every one of its customers uses the full extent of services advertised. The term is usually referred to the web space and bandwidth transfer allowance. A hosting company may offer unlimited space and unlimited bandwidth, however, they put other restrictions in place such as CPU usage or inode limit. They may have onerous restrictions and one-sided contracts that lets them cancel the hosting of anybody that puts a strain on their system or fully uses their claimed allotments."

So, when a host 'oversells' (as the vast majority do to earn more money) they put more clients on each server than it could realistically support. For example:

"HostA" doesn't oversell and has a 500gb HD in their server.
They could realistically sell 500, ONE-gig plans.

"HostB" does oversell, and also has a 500gb HD in their server. They know the average client uses on average around 200mb of space, so in turn they OVERSELL their resources knowing that their clients won't use what they're paying for.

Instead of making 500 1gb hosting plans like "HostA", they decide to make 1,500 1gb plans.

Ok, I understand. So whats the big deal?
Well, when HostA doesn't oversell and all 500 1gb accounts are sold, there is still a lot of free room on the server. This isn't poor planning on "HostA"s fault, but rather the benefit of not overselling. Instead of filling the server to its capacity, "HostA" only fills it ~60% or so, leaving room for their current clients to grow. With a set limit of users per server, it keeps the server load down, makes it faster, an all around better hosting experience. You're sharing resources with less people this way.

"HostB" on the otherhand has a pretty full server with over thousand clients on it, you're sharing all your resources with these clients. The server load is high, more stress and upgrades needed for the server resulting in excess downtime, and a lower quality of service. With such an overloaded server, backups may be restricted to only static content, stricter useage limits, etc.

Get it? From a business perspective, if making money is your main goal then overselling makes sense. More clients per server = more profit per server.

From the client perspective; More clients per server = Lower quality of service.

Unlimited Web Hosting, and why to avoid it
Ah yes, "Unlimited Web Hosting". If you've ever searched for web hosting, you'll see unlimited this, unlimited that in your face almost anywhere you look.

Did you know that there was recently a new space-age hard drive created ONLY for the web hosting industry? This new storage device is capable of storing anything and everything, there are no limits on what it can store!

Of course you didn't know that, because thats not true. There is no such thing as 'unlimited disk space', and there is always limits.

Here is a typical unlimited hosting scenario, this is not made up but rather a experience I have read on WHT.

Some guy has a popular wordpress blog, its using less than 1gb of actual diskspace but then his account is terminated, he can't get a backup of his site, all files lost and he is screwed. What happened? He had reached 15,000 inodes. If he had read his host's TOS closely, he would of known his limits. Every file, email, database entry, etc = 1 inode. Its not hard to reach these limits, they're usually set low so after you reach them a host can terminate your account and keep your money (You violated the TOS by reaching it, violation usually voids money back guarantees).

Webhosts who offer 'unlimited' hosting are the worse oversellers. They keep their prices low because they have a larger number of clients per server that are all sharing the same (limited) resources. There is ALWAYS limits which are defined in their TOS, these includes inode limits, CPU usage limits, memory limits, email limits, etc, etc. With more users per server, your share of these resources are much lower than using a host who doesn't offer unlimited host, or a host that just doesn't oversell at all.


15 Reasons to avoid unlimited web hosting
1.) There is no such thing as an unlimited hard drive
2.) Unlimited neighbors can spell disaster for your site
3.) You dont know what the actual limits are
4.) The number of files you can store is often severely restricted
5.) The TOS often restricts CPU, memory, etc… to limit your site
6.) Backups may be seldom done, done poorly, or not at all
7.) Restores can take days
8.) Hardware is often less reliable due to large storage requirements
9.) Server performance is often sacrificed for space
10.) FTP speeds are often capped
11.) TOS is very restrictive on the type of content you can store
12.) A drive filling up entirely is more likely – can spell disaster
13.) Unlimited accounts attract unsavory characters
14.) Borders on false advertising (is deceptive advertising at best)
15.) Unlimited hosting often means the host is focusing on specs and not service and support

Some more reading if you're intersted: http://www.lexiconn.com/blog/2010/05...d-web-hosting/


Anyhow, just some food for thought. Check out the blog link I posted above to read about each of the 15 points above.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:08 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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I would love to go on one of those unlimited hosting plans, just to see how many days it takes for them to kick me off, sadly I can't afford the down time, but I think it would be pretty funny none the less.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:24 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Stickied thread! they are there for a reason
http://www.webmaster-talk.com/web-ho...osing-web.html

PLUS
http://www.webmaster-talk.com/web-ho...resources.html
http://www.webmaster-talk.com/web-ho...unlimited.html
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:27 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Great writeup, thanks!
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:35 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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I would love to go on one of those unlimited hosting plans, just to see how many days it takes for them to kick me off, sadly I can't afford the down time, but I think it would be pretty funny none the less.
Over at WHT there was a real funny thread where a member there was asking a sales rep of a very large 'unlimited hoster' questions like,

"I have 3, 1TB files that I need to upload. I can do that right?" and stuff like that. The sales rep was stating that he could! I would of loved to see him sign up, and actually upload that much. It would of killed the server or he would of had his account terminated in less than an hour. Its shocking to see how ignorant some of these sales reps are.


Sorry chrishirst, I saw the sticky thread in here but wanted to touch base more on overselling and unlimited hosting. Apologies.
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:12 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Nice thread here, all written above is helpful.

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Old 05-25-2010, 02:24 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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I think every potential user should read TOS and AUP carefully before sign up. That is the must for everyone
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:06 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:11 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Overselling means that your web host sells more then they currently have. But for the small fee. So I suppose you shouldn't worry - with over seller you do not overpay at all.
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Old 05-26-2010, 08:16 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Unfortunately "Overseller" isn't a bad word for consumers who buy Shared Hosting. When it comes to "Unlimited", Yahoo were probably the ones who promoted this model. It is obvious than "Unlimited disc space" is a scam. When it comes to "bandwidth" or any other features is might be acceptable.

I should also say that I used to stand against "Unlimited" in Shared Hosting for years, but unfortunately this word has become a "Standard" in Shared Hosting industry!
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Old 05-26-2010, 08:16 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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It's a funny thing to see what Web Hosting companies are offering, nowhere exists a thing like "Unlimited" this is a pure marketing thing. But the strange thing on this is that many people are believing that they have unlimited Web Space or traffic.
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:20 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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its a good thread curtis.

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Old 05-27-2010, 06:13 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Thanks everyone.

It should also be noted that not every unlimited hosting provider is horrible, and that overselling is going to make your service suck. It all comes down to the management of the servers and how focused the company is on providing a quality product. There are many hosts who post on these forums, many of which offer 'Unlimited' Hosting and many who oversell. I don't have the time nor the desire to test their services, but I am sure they're capable of providing quality services.
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Old 05-31-2010, 05:27 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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That's interesting to read about that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
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Old 05-31-2010, 10:23 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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... a situation in which a company provides hosting plans that are unsustainable if every one of its customers uses the full extent of services advertised...
You could compare "fractional reserve banking", where the banks rely on only a few customers ever wanting to withdraw all their money. But our banks are completely reliable, and our financial system is safe, isn't it? (Oh, dear, have I said something silly?)
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Old 05-31-2010, 10:26 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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..., just to see how many days it takes for them to kick me off...
Possibly the major "fun time" of hosting companies is to sign up with rival companies, try to use their sevices to the limit, and then invoke the 30-day (or whatever) money-back guarantee.
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Stickied thread! they are there for a reason...
The cynical observation is that many people would prefer posting their own half-baked ideas rather than read somebody else's expert analysis. (I expect this profound observation has been stickied somewhere too!)
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:17 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:48 AM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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Why is every body saying unlimited space is impossible? Have you ever heard of JBOD raid? Simply add another drive to the server and everything goes smoothly. People dont like limits and restrictions, and with the low price of HDD, theres no reasons JBOD would not work.
For unlimited bandwidth, most datacenters nowadays offers unmetered internet connexion at 100mbps and more up to like 10Gbps so why is this so impossible?
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:04 PM Re: What 'Overselling' is and how "Unlimited" hosting exists
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That would be expandable NOT unlimited, and how many hosts are going to keep expanding HD space to service somebody paying $3.99 a month.

Unless they are overselling to a massive degree the "unlimited" business model just does not add up.
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