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Old 08-25-2011, 06:18 PM Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:28 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Try Chris' suggestion and write up your design brief

"A design brief is a document you create to explain your business and the type of design you need. You can tell the designers exactly what you want (or don’t want) in your design, such as colours and fonts. Your information should be detailed and clear so it’s easily understood, which is why we also recommend providing supporting images, sketches or influences if you can"

You can hold a basic contest for as little as US$95. The more prize money you offer, the more entries you’re likely to attract and if no one wins, you get the prize money back
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:30 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:35 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Thanks fresh.
Do you think it looks better????
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:07 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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The graph is going the wrong way!

Or it looks like the company is going bankrupt?
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:26 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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The graph is going the wrong way!

Or it looks like the company is going bankrupt?
Keen to details
Probably they cater to Arabic or Japanese
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:20 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Probably they cater to Arabic or Japanese
Haha. Of course!

btw Japanese web pages are read left to right.
Books and magazines are sometimes printed top-to-bottom
starting in the top right corner and going to the bottom left.
But HTML technology (thank god) for the moment at least
doesn't allow that.

Arabic, Farsi and Hebrew are RTL languages.
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:38 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Great!

Always a pleasure to learn cultural diversity

Thanks TWD
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:49 PM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Thanks fresh.
Do you think it looks better????
it looks better. just doesn't look very good yet

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Or it looks like the company is going bankrupt?
i didn't put it there, it was on the website already. all i did was move the logo and nav
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Old 08-26-2011, 04:34 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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I've made some changes
can you check it again?
Do you think I need to move the nav to the right?
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:29 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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But HTML technology (thank god) for the moment at least
doesn't allow that.
Does it not??

http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_text_direction.asp

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/dirlang.html#h-8.2
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Old 08-26-2011, 07:36 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Hi chrishirst ,
Why did you post that links?
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:14 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Hey Chris.

My point was that HTML doesnt (yet) allow the top-to-bottom direction of displaying text. As I mentioned, a lot of Japanese books/magazines are printed right-to-left AND top-to-bottom.

CSS certainly does allow RTL (right-to-left).
If I'm ever forced into doing one of those, god help me.
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:43 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Hi chrishirst ,
Why did you post that links?
they show how to reverse the text order from right to left (rtl) to left to right (ltr)

BTW, It should be "those links" to be grammatically correct, "that" would refer to a singular object.

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the top-to-bottom direction
Should I assume you mean "bottom to top" direction there, as top to bottom is the natural order of HTML.

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a lot of Japanese books/magazines are printed right-to-left AND top-to-bottom.
The original quote was "sometimes" they are.

You can of course invert the text and/or character order server-side if you are using a database.
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Old 08-27-2011, 05:19 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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No I did mean "top-to-bottom".
But the characters are printed in single character vertical columns.

Come to think of it, perhaps in theory you could reproduce
that with right CSS.

But the simple point I was trying to make is that the convention for Japanese on
the web is left-to-right, top-to-bottom, same as English.
For books and magazines a lot of the time (or often) they are printed
in single character columns down the page and going from right to left.
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Old 08-27-2011, 05:34 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Hello TWD and Chris,
Thanks for the information about Japanese websites..
But what about my website

Do you think I still have to change something?
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:13 AM re: Japanese Web Pages; Right to Left or Top to Bottom?
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Hello TWD and Chris,
Thanks for the information about Japanese websites..
But what about my website

Do you think I still have to change something?
Hire a designer or start a contest.
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No I did mean "top-to-bottom".
But the characters are printed in single character vertical columns.

Come to think of it, perhaps in theory you could reproduce
that with right CSS.

But the simple point I was trying to make is that the convention for Japanese on
the web is left-to-right, top-to-bottom, same as English.
For books and magazines a lot of the time (or often) they are printed
in single character columns down the page and going from right to left.
That's interesting, I have never seen any Japanese magazines so I didn't realise that. It could certainly make an interesting project for a japanese language CMS.

Is that the same for Kanji and Hiragana?
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