is dreamweaver better than frontpage or is there anything even better

Having used both, I wouldn't recommend either one as they both put in 100's of useless lines of code which mean nothing and bog your site load speed ... however; MicroSTOOPID FruitLoop is the worst of the two IMO.

What editor are you currently using?

It's all a matter of personal opinion. You're not going to get a conclusive answer. My opinion... I use Dreamweaver. Always have and always will. Why? Because I know how to use it, and it does what I need it to.

But I will also say this. I would rather rub a handful of dirt in my eye than use anything from Microsoft. Which is why I am choosing to buy a Mac rather than a Windows machine. Once I do that, I believe I will be 100% Micro$oft free.

Originally Posted by Tom_M

It's all a matter of personal opinion. You're not going to get a conclusive answer. My opinion... I use Dreamweaver. Always have and always will. Why? Because I know how to use it, and it does what I need it to.

Sure you will ... and I'll give it. Dreamweaver is better than FrontPage, but there's something even better than DW: knowledge.

You already heard how DW and FP both write up a lot more html code than is necessary, slow your site down, and cost you more bandwidth. Plus, after a while, there are things that are actually easier to do by hand, than through the UI in an editor program.

But DW is pretty good for learning, if you make a change and then see the html it wrote to implement that. And if you're running a big site full of static html pages, DW makes it pretty easy to make changes across the board.

Microsoft has a few new html editors out you might want to take a look at. I use "Visual Web Developer" every day to work on aspx, but they have a new "Expression" I haven't tried yet.

Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

You already heard how DW and FP both write up a lot more html code than is necessary, slow your site down, and cost you more bandwidth.

I'm not sure why people say this since it is mostly not true? If DW is set up correctly and you know how to use the program properly, it will write some pretty clean code. Nothing is perfect, but the exaggeration of bloated code is a little much.

If you set the DTD to HTML 4.01 Transitional, yea it will spit out some nasty stuff. But like I said, if the options are set right and you know hot to use it, DW can be a blessing.

Not to debate the subject, but it's all a matter of personal preference. Some people love FP, others love notepad.

Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

but there's something even better than DW: knowledge

You're 100% right there. Which is why I use DW strictly in the code view. But that's for another topic

I'm not sure why people say this since it is mostly not true?

Certainly it's true ! It's absolutely true when used by someone with ZERO knowledge of HTML/CSS in WYSIWYG mode.

I have to disagree to some extent. DW is just NOT a good tool for beginners who have not learned HTML (and CSS) from the ground up and learned to code BY HAND. In the cases where someone just wants a site and latches onto DW, the coding is a true nightmare. Unfortunately, too many of these novices don't even care as long as it 'looks pretty' in the end. I fear that there are a great many DW users who started this way, and too many still couldn't pass an HTML quiz.

I have used DW since version 1.0, still do, and it's a great tool -- for some things. DW 8's support and rendering of CSS is better than it's predecessors, but still not all there. I tend to use TopStyle for most of my work these days - it doesn't do much for you, you must code by hand, but I can get exact control of what's going on and I like it that way. I can edit ALL my files and see real-time results when I make a change.

DW has some awesome site management tools, which I do use, and it does a slightly better job when editing ASP or SHTML pages (because of the includes).

I taught myself HTML over 10 years ago. My first exposure to FP was FP 97. It was given to me and I loaded it. I pulled in one of my meticulously coded pages (I used HotDog back then) and FP completely MANGLED my page. I fought with that thing for a couple of hours trying to learn and put my page back the way it was. I got so disgusted I uninstalled the beastly thing and never used it again. My brief exposures to FP in the last few years hasn't changed my opinion of it.. it's HORRID !!

i use dw

it seems easier than fp

I don't and have never used any programs like those. I have chosen the harder path and have coded everything from scratch. I think in a way I learn a hell of a lot more by myself than editing software. I guess that is my personal preference though.

FrontPage will be discontinued... MS is replacing it with "Expression" which actually
is more like Dreamweaver.

~Roland