Hi there.
I'm new to all this webdesign, so apologies for dumb questions or misuse of technical terms . I'm using Frontpage 2002 to design my website. Tried to upload some stuff on to my site: Open Web - typed in URL. Hit enter, but got an error message "The folder 'my URL' isnt accessible. It maybe located in an unavailable loaction, protected with password."
Where am I going wrong?
Thanks for any help

JimmyT

First of all.. you have to have ftp available. If it's one of those free hosts, you most likely don't have ftp abilities.

Secoondly, if you DO have ftp available, you have to enter the ftp host, your username, your password, and your directory structure info.

If you don't know what ftp is... then learn...
It means file transfer protocol.
It's what you use to upload files to a host.
If it's a free host, it's most likely just a web based uploaded... select the files, and click "upload".

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by JimmyT

Hi there.
I'm new to all this webdesign, so apologies for dumb questions or misuse of technical terms . I'm using Frontpage 2002 to design my website. Tried to upload some stuff on to my site: Open Web - typed in URL. Hit enter, but got an error message "The folder 'my URL' isnt accessible. It maybe located in an unavailable loaction, protected with password."
Where am I going wrong?
Thanks for any help

JimmyT

Did you get this sorted out? Interested to hear result

cheers

also remember that at most hosts you need to create an index.html

Am thinking what I need to click on is Publish Web, not Open Web. in MS Frontpage. Anyway I'm using FFFTP, a Japanese FTP program. On FFFTP it asks me for my Host details. Can I just confirm, this is my URL it means by Host.?! At the moment I am getting a Host (my URL) not found message when I try to connect.
By the way my URL is http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~jthomas
Thanks again for help

Originally Posted by JosefMills

First of all.. you have to have ftp available. If it's one of those free hosts, you most likely don't have ftp abilities.

Secondly, if you DO have ftp available, you have to enter the ftp host, your username, your password, and your directory structure info.

NO! Do NOT... repeat do NOT... upload files created or modified with FrontPage to the server using FTP.

If you do, you will very likely corrupt the FrontPage server extensions on the server.

Use the FrontPage "Publish" feature to upload the files using HTTP to http://www,domainname.com, rather than FTP.

If your host doesn't have the FrontPage extensions installed, then upload your files using the built-in FrontPage FTP utility - again access this using "Publish" and just specifiy ftp://www.domainname.com as the target - at least this way, FrontPage will keep track of its required maintenance files.

FrontPage 2003 doesn't need FrontPage extensions installed. 2002 does. With 2003 (if you don't have FrontPage extensions) you can replace old files with updated files using your favorite FTP program.

Originally Posted by dlfn trx

FrontPage 2003 doesn't need FrontPage extensions installed. 2002 does. With 2003 (if you don't have FrontPage extensions) you can replace old files with updated files using your favorite FTP program.

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Both versions "require" FrontPage extensions (see below).

You can use an external FTP program or you can use FrontPage's FTP feature to upload your files using FTP in either FP2002 OR FP2003 - but doing so will usually corrupt the FP server extensions. Those server extensions are required to use any of the specialized FP features, so it's generally a bad idea.

Better to always - ALWAYS - publish using Frontpage and http mode.

Of course, if your server doesn't have the Frontpage extensions installed, you won't be using any of the Frontpage features anyway. In that case, you will need to publish in FTP mode but again it is better to use Frontpage to do that so that Frontpage can update your web data, keeping track of what has been published and what hasn't, for example.

I try not to post stuff thats not true. We may not be talking about the same thing.

You definatly DO NOT have to have FrontPage Server Extensions with FrontPage 2003. In fact there is no such thing as FrontPage 2003 Extensions. There are SharePoint Services, which are new for 2003, but it's not required that you have these to run FP 2003 either.

I'm getting my info from the MS website:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/fron...o/servers.mspx

You may be trying to say something else, but that is what I got from your post.

Okay, maybe this is a matter of miscommunication:

1. There is no such thing as FrontPage 2003 server extensions because FrontPage 2003 uses the 2002 server extensions and the extensions themselves did not need to be upgraded for FrontPage 2003: All of the functionality required by FrontPage 2003 was already present in the 2002 extensions. That does NOT mean FrontPage 2003 does not use the Frontpage server extensions.

2. If you intend to use FrontPage ONLY as a web page editor and not to maintain and update the website, AND you have no plans to use any of the FrontPage features, then (and ONLY THEN) are you correct in saying that you do not need the extensions and you are free to upload your pages with any FTP program you wish. However, in that case, why bother with FrontPage at all? There are free WYSIWYG editors out there - no need to buy FrontPage.

3. For most server configurations, if you are using any of the FrontPage features, OR you wish to use the website maintenance and updating functions of FrontPage, then you DO need the FrontPage 2002 extensions installed and you must NOT upload your FrontPage files using FTP - doing so will corrupt the server extensions and require that you reinstall them.

4. There is one exception: that is, starting with FrontPage 2003, if you have Windows Sharepoint Services installed instead, in which case you are correct and you do not need the server extensions - Windows Sharepoint Services is, as I understand it, basically a replacement for the FP Server Extensions, like an enhanced version of the server extensions with greater capability based on Windows Server 2003 and Microsoft .NET technology.

Windows SharePoint Services allows teams to create Web sites for information sharing and document collaboration, benefits that help increase individual and team productivity. Windows SharePoint Services is a component of the Windows Server 2003 information worker infrastructure and provides team services and sites to Microsoft Office System and other desktop programs. It also serves as a platform for application development.

Windows SharePoint Services sites take file storage to a new level, providing communities for team collaboration and making it easy for users to work together on documents, tasks, contacts, events, and other information. In addition, team and site managers can coordinate site content and user activity easily. The Windows SharePoint Services environment is designed for easy and flexible deployment, administration, and application development.

SharePoint sites are made up of Web Parts and Windows ASP.NET-based components. Web Parts are designed to be added to pages and configured by site administrators and users, creating complete page-based applications. Windows SharePoint Services ships with a number of ready-to-use Web Parts; more will be available in the future from Microsoft and third-party vendors.

Windows SharePoint Services can scale to thousands of sites within an organization. It fully supports load-balanced Web farm and clustered database deployments. For site and server managers, quotas can be set and enforced not only on storage, but on sites per-server and users per-site. Site usage can be monitored to detect and retire inactive sites. Detailed security options are available and easily managed. Server managers can delegate to end users the ability to create their own sites. Sites and servers can be managed from a Web browser, command-line tools, or a Web service-accessible object model.

I guess I see what your trying to say, but I do maintain a website using FP 2003 on a server with no FrontPage extensions, and I would much rather have FP 2003 as to any other free WYSIWYG editor. It is as easy to use and update a website as using a server that has extensions.

And your right, there are a couple of features, such as a hit counter, that you won't be able to use if you don't have FP 2002 extensions (or SharePoint services). The most major being saving form results, which might be a big thing to some websites.

SharePoint services could be compared to FrontPage Extensions, except they are many-times more functional. They allow you to intergrate databases, such as Oracle, into your site. I know this because I took an Oracle class for a semester, and that is exactly what we did.

Going back to the earlier posts...

[quote]Can I just confirm, this is my URL it means by Host.?! At the moment I am getting a Host (my URL) not found message when I try to connect.[quote]

No, your host is not the same as your URL - it will be an address for your host - i.e. hosting.yourhost.com. You should contact your host if they have not provided you with this information, or check back through your docs from when you set up the account, it may be in there.

Hope this helps - I don't use FrontPage so don't know about extensions etc or whether this info is now obsolete if you are using FrontPage!

yes, you want to use "Publish Web..." and then type in your URL as http://www.yoursitename.com followed by your password. Do NOT use that Japanese FTP program is you have the server extensions enabled.

Originally Posted by LizzeyDripping

Going back to the earlier posts...

No, your host is not the same as your URL - it will be an address for your host - i.e. hosting.yourhost.com. You should contact your host if they have not provided you with this information, or check back through your docs from when you set up the account, it may be in there.

Hope this helps - I don't use FrontPage so don't know about extensions etc or whether this info is now obsolete if you are using FrontPage!

If your domain is set up pointing to your webspace (DNS) you do use your own domain as the host..

For example...

My site which is www.xionet.co.uk..

I use the host as www.xionet.co.uk

But before my dns settings were complete i had to use..
server1.web-mania.com

-James

Oh, well there you go - live and learn!

Thanks for that