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Old 11-25-2006, 07:36 PM Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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Please check out this site that I am re-designing. It is a work in progress at the moment and please be aware that not all links work, and the ones that do will take you to the site with no re-design yet. I have this uploaded to my web addy at: www.whollycat.com.

Your thoughts, criticisms, ideas, and anything else y'all can think of would be very appreciated.

Please note that I have to clean up my coding and have quite a few 'notes' to myself in there. I haven't validated this page yet either. I have only viewed it in Firefox and IE 6, so you folks with other browsers please let me know how it looks when viewed by you. I will eventually view in other browsers...

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Old 11-25-2006, 08:33 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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Two review parts - Code and Design. Don't be put off by the length. Most of it is just tips.

Code
HTML:
The current doctype is XHTML 1.0 Strict. At present, your mark-up will allow you to go for XHTML 1.1. This version is basically 1.0 Strict but stricter.

You have used an external stylesheet yet you also have an embedded sheet. Why is this? You have also external and embedded javascript, use on or the other.

You've used javascript for various design elements. I gather one such is rounded corners? If this is the case, then why not check out tutorials on rounded corners using CSS. It's cleaner, quicker and cross-browser compliant.

Because your design is pretty simple, use variable (%) widths on your site. This way, it will resize based on the size of the browser, and you won't have as much trouble with 'small window' issues.

You've used two divs to contain one image element. As you are doing nothing special with this image, you don't need any divs at all. Simply add an id to it, and apply some CSS to it. Remember, divs aren't a replacement for tables.

From this point, it all gets a bit messy. Remember to indent well and organise the structure. Use appropriately named ids and classes to elements with styling.

Overall, your code is one of the better examples I have seen in a while. However, you still have room for improving, and with time and experience you'll develop this well.

CSS:
At this point, I wouldn't suggest going for inline structure to your CSS. It is easier to find bugs, spot sections and organise the code if it is in structured, e.g. your code below:
Code:
h4 {font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 85%; font-style: italic; font-weight: 400; color: #c9bf9e;}
becomes
Code:
h4 {
    color: #c9bf9e;
    font: 400 italic 85% Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
Notice how I have combined the font properties? This is a feature of CSS 2.0 scripting style (?) and makes life quicker and easier. I've added Arial as it is the DOS version of Helvetica.

Tip: Don't use % for font-sizes. Use em. In the body selector, set font-size: 62.5%. That way 10px becomes 1em. Therefore, if you want a font that is 14px, use 1.4em. This 'em' measurement can be applied to anything, but make sure you use it appropriately. Also, it is more accurate cross-browser. IE doesn't resize font-sizes that are in px neither, but it does in em (and % I think).

You have
Code:
CSS (hides HTML body when JavaScript is enabled):
Be sure to comment out this line, you don't want it causing potential issues in the future.

You don't need to set background-repeat to repeat as it is the default value (body selector).

Overall, your CSS techniques are good. You have used inline structure, which I wouldn't recommend at this stage. Check up on short-handing properties (e.g. font: ; background: ; etc).


Design
Layout:
Simple is quite often the best. I think by going for a simple layout, you haven't fallen into any traps and have presented your information in a way that is accessible and doesn't require straining of the eyes to find.

Only remark I am going to make is linked in with the HTML/CSS. Make sure that main content floats BEFORE the sidebar. You want visitors to take in your information, not crawl your site like a bot.

Colour Scheme:
Whilst you obviously have a colour scheme, I don't think you quite grasped it. Colour schemes should be concocted with harmonious and contrasting colours, not just any colour that might seem to look good. Red and that khaki colour you have going on doesn't fit. The contrast is too stark and pulls your site down a bit. What I suggest you do is take a look at colour scheme examples, from Color Schemer and the build one from the free tool offered there: http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html

I think the colour scheme is the main thing holding your site down. It's a shame really, because it is obvious the work put into the design and implementation of it.

Typography:
Headings should be seen as headings. They should be bigger than the content and direct the visitor to the content. They should also make clear which section is which (alongside the design contrasts).

Your current small headings for each section are a bit of a nuisance, as they hover half way across the top border, and so I struggle first time round to read it. Obviously, when I disable the styles, it looks better. Which brings me onto another problem.

This is more code related. You've added a line break at the end of every paragraph (<br />) why is this? Line breaks should appear within paragraphs to force new lines within a paragraph. It's only use from what I can see is creating poem's or sonets. If there is no clear gap between each paragraph without the line break, then adjust the margins (top and bottom) of your paragraph (in CSS). The only reason I had noticed this is because of the disabled stylesheets view.

I like with the current links in paragraphs there is a background to it on hover. With your colour scheme, it blends in too much, but in accessible terms, it is a great thing to utilise. I only suggest putting the underlines back on. Most users associate underlined different coloured words as links.

Other than that, you've created your content in a semantic way. I congratulate you on that, and wish that only other designers would take on the efforts you have.

Sidebar:
It's quite easy to fall into the trap of using text-align: center in order to try and grab the visitors attention, however that is all it will do. Text is harder to reader when it isn't left aligned (or right aligned depending on language) because our eyes naturally move from left to right. Therefore, because something is centered, we need to keep readjusting the position of our eyes to meet the next line. Left aligned text will grab and keep the reader reading if utilised effectively.

I like the paw prints for the menu items

Disclaimer:
Put your disclaimer and all other legal rithermerol on a seperate page. By the end of the legal documentation, you don't want half of the page rendering time to be hanging on that. Your footer should (if there) contain no more than copyright, top link, etc menu links and links to privacy policies, disclaimers, etc. Anything else and it starts to get cluttered.


I hope the above proves useful and helps.
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Old 11-25-2006, 08:50 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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Wow Mik, you have given me a lot to think about!

So while I do that I just have a few quick points:

What do I do if the site owner loves the color scheme?

I knew I needed a lot of cleanup on my coding...thank you very much for pointing that out. I will be working on that very soon...!

In order for the ruzee.borders to work for the rounded corners, the javascript has to be embedded in the HTML. I tried doing it by putting the scripting in CSS and it doesn't work. The top wording is supposed to be above the columns, but I totally know what you are saying. Actually with the second page to this I have lowered those titles so they aren't sticking "up there" because it does make it more readable.

I will be doing rounded corners using pure CSS in the future because not all folks have javascript. So, yup, I had thought of that.

Thanks for your input on this, I really appreciate it ~ you have given me plenty to contemplate!

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Old 11-25-2006, 08:54 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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No problem, anything to help.

Tell the site owner that the colour scheme reminds me of my mate being sick (he had some blood through it). That ought to clear things up a little lol.

To clean up your code, specifically the CSS, I suggest you go to http://flumpcakes.co.uk/css/optimiser/ and use the default settings. It's what helped me learn that font properties could be merged.
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:20 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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Mooofasa hit it all again looks like this is the second time I've done a critique after him and he nails it all...
I still leave my CSS seperate like follows just because it's easier for me to follow when looking threw my own code also I used the h1 as an example because that would make the text larger and actually serve as a heading with 1.4em
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h1 {
font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif; 
font-size: 1.4em; 
font-weight: 900; 
color: #c9bf9e;}
maybe I missunderstood you when you said "The top wording is supposed to be above the columns" but if you want the headings above the columns you could add another div and id around those headings and use something along the lines of
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.abovecolumn {
 position: absolute;
 top: 2em;
}
or if you are wanting to space it down underneath the columns you should add a margin but having the heading cut in the middle is sorta distracting.
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Old 11-25-2006, 10:49 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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or if you are wanting to space it down underneath the columns you should add a margin but having the heading cut in the middle is sorta distracting.
The idea is to have it floating half-way on and half-way off. But since the consensus thus far has been that it is distracting, I am going to place the headings inside the columns. I actually have another page almost done and that is what I did with that page - placed the headings inside the columns.

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Old 11-25-2006, 10:53 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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Tell the site owner that the colour scheme reminds me of my mate being sick (he had some blood through it). That ought to clear things up a little lol.
Now, now...some of us like a bolder look! I will tell her what ya said though. And hey, at least the page isn't laid out all boxy and everything like in the beginnings of CSS.

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To clean up your code, specifically the CSS, I suggest you go to http://flumpcakes.co.uk/css/optimiser/ and use the default settings. It's what helped me learn that font properties could be merged.
Thanks for this link, too ~ I will definately be checking this out.

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Old 11-26-2006, 12:11 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com WITH UPDATES!!
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To clean up your code, specifically the CSS, I suggest you go to http://flumpcakes.co.uk/css/optimiser/ and use the default settings. It's what helped me learn that font properties could be merged.
WOW! This is a tremendously helpful site, Mik. You will have to check how nicely laid out my CSS code is now. Boy, did it get rid off a lot of coding! Cool. Still work to be done, but this helped immensely.

Also, I changed the column colors on the site ~ would you guys please give me feedback on the change? URL is: www.whollycat.com.

I got rid of the moss green columns and set the columns to pick up the background color (as in color: none). It is really a bold-type look...any input will be appreciated.

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Old 11-26-2006, 01:16 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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I like it but the headings of the columns are still not much larger than the text contained and the "About Holisticat" is still cut in half by the top edge of the box
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Old 11-26-2006, 01:27 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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oh one more thing sorry to have a seperate post but you should add it to the google index also msn and yahoo to get more users to your site if your'e not sure how you get get it on google by getting your google webmaster tools setup and there are lots of good things in there for webmasters. just type google webmaster tools in google and you'll pull it up no problem
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Old 11-26-2006, 01:29 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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I like it but the headings of the columns are still not much larger than the text contained and the "About Holisticat" is still cut in half by the top edge of the box
Oops...yeah, I didn't change that part yet.

I guess I was the only one seeing how cool it would be to offset the headings on the columns. Maybe if the headings are larger the concept will be more appealing?

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Old 11-26-2006, 01:43 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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oh one more thing sorry to have a seperate post but you should add it to the google index also msn and yahoo to get more users to your site if your'e not sure how you get get it on google by getting your google webmaster tools setup and there are lots of good things in there for webmasters. just type google webmaster tools in google and you'll pull it up no problem
The site I am working on already has close to 2000+ members, so there is no worry about folks finding it. But I will bring this up in case Sandy wants to bring in more folks...

Thanks for your suggestion, Dustin ~ I will keep this for future reference when I get my site up and running, too
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Old 11-26-2006, 02:01 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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it's got some good features too if you sign up for google analytics where you can see how people are getting to your site if they're viewing more pages than just the initial and even what pages they leave your site at which may tell you which pages need to be revamped because that's the page people are looking at when they decide this site isn't for me.....
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Old 11-26-2006, 06:47 PM Re: Re-designing website: holisticat.com
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it's got some good features too if you sign up for google analytics where you can see how people are getting to your site if they're viewing more pages than just the initial and even what pages they leave your site at which may tell you which pages need to be revamped because that's the page people are looking at when they decide this site isn't for me.....
This is very interesting and I thank you again, Dustin. There is just a wealth of information on this Forum...

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