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Old 02-06-2007, 01:53 AM First Paid Website
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I am 19, and I just currently designed my first website for my grandmother and with lots of reading of websites and tutorials i managed to learn how to do CSS. This website was also was my first paid website...........mind you there was a family discount, of course.

My grandma, and all my family members say that it is a good website and that it is great, but knowing how families and friends work, i just wanted to see what other people think about the website. Also i wanted to know people's opinion on the technical aspects of the site, like whether or not the CSS is correct, or if there is anything i should do that could improve the site

http://www.creativelanguageresources.com.au

(Yes, i am from Australia)
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Old 02-06-2007, 02:27 AM Re: First Paid Website
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It looks alright, could use better fonts.
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:28 AM Re: First Paid Website
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Hi nativejam,

Well done! For the first site it is pretty!

All the best to your grandma's business and to your programming knowledge!

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Old 02-06-2007, 05:47 AM Re: First Paid Website
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For a first time, it's looking alot better than most first-timers' websites do.

I've got a few comments:

I'll start with the coding. You've set your DOCTYPE to XHTML 1.0 Strict, yet you do not have what classifies as "strict" XHTML, or even valid XHTML at all. Stuff like <br> should be done <br />. Tags that don't have a closing tag should instead end with a /> rather than just a normal >. This applies to single tags such as <img />, <br />, <link /> (for style sheet linking). There are more. Visit the www.w3schools.com xhtml section for exact details.

Goto http://validator.w3.org/ to validate and check for yourself.

I would recommend setting your DOCTYPE to xhtml transitional. It still requires you to use proper XHTML, but it's not so **** strict

On the other hand, the CSS validates perfectly, so good work there

There also minor nitpicks like
padding:0px 0px 0px 0px;

Which can be simply done as

padding: 0;

Because when all values are equal, you only need one number. And when it's 0, you don't need to specify units. 0 is 0. That's just me being anal-retentive, though

Also, try playing with different fonts other than Comic Sans. That's just my personal vendetta against Comic Sans coming through. I think there are better, more professional serif fonts to choose from.

Apart from that, the CSS looks alright. Maybe you could make sure the links underline or change colour when you hover over them? That just helps with recognizing them and stuff like that (for the dummies out there )



Anyway, onto the visuals:

1. It might just be my eyes, or my monitor, but the red is just a little bit too bright for me... it is a little distracting, and makes my eyes sore after looking at the site long enough. You may want to maybe tone it down a few notches? Maybe more pastel, or darker... just a red that isn't so "rich" (or bright) so to speak.

2. I am, however, liking the textured background you're using for the main content background. Top job on that, it's good. Just maybe get the body font to "pop" out a little more against it (try playing with fonts like I said).

3. The header/logo could do with some overall refinement, I think I can almost see jpeg artifacts around the images of the girl/cat... may be me and my anal-retentiveness again >_< It suits the style of the page, but could look better. No specfic crits here, it's just not too interesting to look at.

4. Maybe change the black lines in the menu to be a little thinner... maybe try adding extra sides, to make them boxes, and the background colour of the boxes can change when hovering. Just an idea.

5. If you happen to get a professional style portrait photograph of your lovely nan, then put that up instead, it may help in conveying a sense of "professionalism". I'm not saying the current photo is a bad one, or the site is unprofessional, just that it could be better

These are all pretty small nitpicks which you can possibly try playing with, or not... but the site looks great either way, good work.

Conclusion: Nice simple design, for a simple site. Generally, the simpler you keep things, the less problems you are likely to encounter with stuff like cross-browser compatibility, text-only browsers etc etc.

Also, bonus points for a site map
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:01 AM Re: First Paid Website
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Hey not bad at all.

It looks good for your first paid website, maybe as noted above try better font, other than that excellent job.
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Old 02-06-2007, 09:32 AM Re: First Paid Website
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not bad for a beginner!.
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Old 02-06-2007, 11:45 AM Re: First Paid Website
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A nice simple site well thought out and put to-gether. I would however agree that the choice of font could be improved.
Just a small point not everone uses a mouse to navigate a site so they can't "click on" a link, a better choice is something like "go to".
As to the choice of red for your background, remember this is a dominant colour that brings itself to the front so that the body of your page tends to receed.
Perhaps I'm like Tweakedbat and am nit picking, this is just my opinion, but overall for a first attempt I would say well done.
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Old 02-06-2007, 12:37 PM Re: First Paid Website
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that red background is killing me...i suggest softening it a bit
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Old 02-06-2007, 02:08 PM Re: First Paid Website
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Hey nativejam,

I have no idea what CSS is but I like the page! One thing I noticed is the long "contact" form... do You really need all the data like state, address, age and shoe size? Filling out all the forms will take longer than writing the message hehe Only a suggestion,
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Old 02-06-2007, 03:18 PM Re: First Paid Website
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For a newbie doing a CSS site, you've done a bang-up job !
I agree with everything TwistedBat said. In additon, I must add that the <xml> statement ABOVE your DOCTYPE will throw IE into quirks mode, better to remove it. I do agree, dropping back to Transitional or fixing your code so it is Strict.

Color is subjective, but I happen to like red and you've used a nice deep color so I don't think it's glaring at all.
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Old 02-06-2007, 06:55 PM Re: First Paid Website
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Well done on your first paid site. Sure there are some things to fix and a few nit picking comments to consider, but it is a nice looking site, easy to get around and read and neatly presented. Keep up the good work, if you stick at it you should be able to produce some excellent sites in the future!
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Old 02-06-2007, 07:28 PM Re: First Paid Website
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For a first "paid" site as opposed to a first "ever" site, you deserve to be paid! The coding is a minor - eventhough important - bit.

The first thing that puts me off a site is improper use of language and grammar - you've done well. The red & black mix with the (rice is it?) paper fits very well with the theme.

The menu: I personally don't like having to go to the words of a link to click it. I expect to be able to click anywhere on the background of the link and it should work.

The webmaster link at the bottom: I wouldn't put an e-mail address out in the open anywhere on the web. I've had my fill of viagra advertisements...
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Old 02-07-2007, 08:24 AM Re: First Paid Website
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I would suggest a more professional picture of your gammy as well as different fonts.

not bad though
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Old 02-07-2007, 08:35 AM Re: First Paid Website
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The layout is ok, but I would work on the typography.
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Old 02-08-2007, 07:42 AM Re: First Paid Website
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hey thanks guys

i have learnt a lot expecially when it comes to the coding aspect of web designing and i think i will read more and learn how to do more CSS and even possibly redesign the site so that it is more profressional looking and good looking like some of those great CSS design i have seen recently on the web, and even get a professional photo of my grandma, also i will try and learn how to make a good logo, and change the red, as it can be distracting.

i do not understand what you mean by instead of having a mouse click on a link and to instead have a "go to"........could you possibly explain further or give an example?

Yes it is rice paper texture in the background but i think i might remove it because for a few people it causes an issue when downloading (might replace it with CSS)

the webmaster link is a webmail address that came with the web hosting package......i can have like up to 100 email addresses or something useless

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Old 02-08-2007, 07:43 PM Re: First Paid Website
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I think that coding is super. And the site is very well.

But if you want to make this site more serious, you can use Georgia font face.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:29 PM Re: First Paid Website
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Perhaps I didn't explain myself too well.
What I was trying to say was when you write something like:-

"To find out more about me then click on the "About Karan" section, "

I would put it slightly differently like this:-

"To find out more about me then go to the (or visit or something similar) "About Karan" section,

As I said previously this is only a tiny point and overall I thought you had done a good job on your site.

An article you might like to look at on producing meaningful links is available here:-

http://webdesign.about.com/b/a/224583.htm?terms=%22click+here%22

Hope this helps.
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Old 02-10-2007, 07:20 AM Re: First Paid Website
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I see what you mean now, that makes a lot more sense

I will make the changes to the site in a couple of days once i get my computer back......the stupid power supply blew up......

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Old 02-10-2007, 08:10 AM Re: First Paid Website
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Your website is great!, Also try to use a rollover for your menu buttons so that when ever i put my mouse pointer on it, it glows, shines, blows, explode or what ever.
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Old 02-10-2007, 10:57 AM Re: First Paid Website
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I am 19, and I just currently designed my first website for my grandmother and with lots of reading of websites and tutorials i managed to learn how to do CSS. This website was also was my first paid website...........mind you there was a family discount, of course.

My grandma, and all my family members say that it is a good website and that it is great, but knowing how families and friends work, i just wanted to see what other people think about the website. Also i wanted to know people's opinion on the technical aspects of the site, like whether or not the CSS is correct, or if there is anything i should do that could improve the site

http://www.creativelanguageresources.com.au

(Yes, i am from Australia)
Thanks
i like it
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